health4ni wrote:Oh ok. lol

Yeah. Probably 14% is about right. tbh that's what I thought but didn't wanna hurt your feelings by being too far from 10% lol

never mind lol

haha. Just looking for another opinion to see where im at.

Cheers for your Honesty...kinda

Im pretty happy with where im at just now but i plan to lean up a little over the coming 5 month a little bit at a time

Hmm see, i dont see how this

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4390 ... 307wp4.jpg

is healthy though. there must be a lower end as well as an upper.

Marks1972 wrote:Hmm see, i dont see how this

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4390 ... 307wp4.jpg

is healthy though. there must be a lower end as well as an upper.

oh yes, there's defo a lower limit. If that pic was taken a day before a contest then maybe ok. But yeah he is very lean indeed as well as looking quite under weight. Lean and under weight is not good; that is unhealthy.

It is obviously a lot more complicated than just about body fat %, but BF% is certainly better than BMI for example.

I don't get that skinny guy. Sure you can see every single muscle, but thy don't look that impressive - bit small really. Why would you bother? I'd sure like to get ripped, but I'd still wanna be a hell of a lot bigger than that..

Its Tom from MP i think btw.

yes it is.

he's an ex mod, now nutrition coach with british athletes for the olympics

Nutrition coach with the british athletes for the Olympics , Yes it is Tom.

well, he sure knows how to get lean. The million dollar question is: did he do it healthily??

also, he doesn't appear to know how to lift heavy though lol

And the most important thing of all, he's an ugly fecker.

....with a flatter chest than keira knightley

Rab wrote:....with a flatter chest than keira knightley

man she needs a boob job!..I know that not all really really need one but stillhave them..but SHE def does!

kp1512 wrote:

Rab wrote:....with a flatter chest than keira knightley

man she needs a boob job!..I know that not all really really need one but stillhave them..but SHE def does!

With all her ribs sticking out, a pair of tits would make her look worse.

Discusting

The most basic rule of my approach is to just keep my diet pretty clean and healthy. I do eat junk, just not a lot or very often and my food choices are all pretty much fresh and non or minimally processed... I guess this makes me a 'lean bulker'. If I eat well above maintenance rather than grow (muscular growth) any quicker, I tend to be become quite fidgety and agitated and at the same time add extra b/fat. The bulk/cut approach doesn't really work for me.

The biggest two difference makers that help for me are a) carbs & protein within an hour of training, and b) a moderate-high protein content of diet. For bodyfat levels I always stay between 11 and 13 percent. Have never really tried to cut aggresively though so don't know how training at lower b/fat might affect me.

After going crazy on a bulk and gaining masses of fat when i started i dieted back down to sub 10%, then i bulked abit and shot up quickly to about 15% which is where i've stayed for probably over a year. I havn't tried to bulk or cut, iv just ate enough, i steadily got stronger and my body weight didn't budge too much, i think this is the way for me to do it. Don't go crazy on cals, and have carb/protein or fat/protein meals, carbs being in the morning and after training and of course eat clean. Junk food has no place in any athletes diet, fat is useless, unless you're a 125+ powerlifter, in which case fat can improve all of your lifts!

ATM though i want to get sub 10% and hopefully stay there.

I prefer not to put on too much fat, so try and keep as lean as I can. I mean you guys have seen my pics, what would you put my BF at? I suppose health4ni would be the guy to ask - I don't offend easily!

I love my food, I enjoy eating, but I do train a lot, but I also play a lot of sport too, so I feel that I burn up the calories through my day to day living anyway. I do have a little fat that I'd love to get rid of, but tbh I have so much hair you can't notice the fat! lol!

However I have definitely put on a percent or two of BF over the past 6 months, which isn't too bad as I'm sure I can get rid of it with a bit of self control/effort.

I think it's entirely possible to pack on some decent muscle without going OTT, but I guess people want more immediate results so go for the mad bulk option. I couldn't do that.

I agree that being overly lean doesn't do anything for me - sure you can see the definition and the developed muscle, but I find the size of muscle more impressive and interesting to me.

This is what I've found looking around - I think it's fairly accurate. Remember that women naturally carry more bodyfat, besides boobs are great!