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Yet more mixed messages - but who cares....

Postby Resurrected on Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:12 pm

......I now have a reason to get pissed everynight :lol:

An interesting study but again it seems not to take into account many other factors ie diet, history of heart disease etc. Also being Spain it would be interesting to see how many in the study group were smokers. As we know many European countries (including Spain) have a high proportion of the population that smoke. So was this taken into account? So many variables that on the face of it are not taken into account.

Alcohol 'protects men's hearts'

Drinking alcohol every day cuts the risk of heart disease in men by more than a third, a major study suggests.

The Spanish research involving more than 15,500 men and 26,000 women found large quantities of alcohol could be even more beneficial for men.

Female drinkers did not benefit to the same extent, the study in Heart found.

Experts are critical, warning heavy drinking can increase the risk of other diseases, with alcohol responsible for 1.8 million deaths globally per year.

The study was conducted in Spain, a country with relatively high rates of alcohol consumption and low rates of coronary heart disease.

The research involved men and women aged between 29 and 69, who were asked to document their lifetime drinking habits and followed for 10 years.

Crucially the research team claim to have eliminated the "sick abstainers" risk by differentiating between those who had never drunk and those whom ill-health had forced to quit. This has been used in the past to explain fewer heart-related deaths among drinkers on the basis that those who are unhealthy to start with are less likely to drink.

Good cholesterol

The researchers from centres across Spain placed the participants into six categories - from never having drunk to drinking more than 90g of alcohol each day. This would be the equivalent of consuming about eight bottles of wine a week, or 28 pints of lager.

“ People should not be encouraged to drink more as a result of this research ”
Professor Martin McKee London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine

For those drinking little - less than a shot of vodka a day for instance - the risk was reduced by 35%. And for those who drank anything from three shots to more than 11 shots each day, the risk worked out an average of 50% less.

The same benefits were not seen in women, who suffer fewer heart problems than men to start with. Researchers speculated this difference could be down to the fact that women process alcohol differently, and that female hormones protect against the disease in younger age groups.

The type of alcohol drunk did not seem to make a difference, but protection was greater for those drinking moderate to high amounts of varied drinks.

The exact mechanisms are as yet unclear, but it is known that alcohol helps to raise high-density lipoproteins, sometimes known as good cholesterol, which helps stop so-called bad cholesterol from building up in the arteries.

'Binge-drinking'

UK experts said the findings should be treated with caution because they do not take into account ill-health from a range of other diseases caused by excess drinking.

"Whilst moderate alcohol intake can lower the risk of having a heart attack, coronary heart disease is just one type of heart disease. Cardiomyopathy, a disease of the heart muscle, is associated with high alcohol intake and can lead to a poor quality of life and premature death," said the British Heart Foundation's senior cardiac nurse, Cathy Ross.

"The heart is just one of many organs in the body. While alcohol could offer limited protection to one organ, abuse of it can damage the heart and other organs such as the liver, pancreas and brain."

The Stroke Association meanwhile noted that overall, evidence indicated that people who regularly consumed a large amount of alcohol had a three-fold increased risk of stroke.

"Six units within six hours is considered 'binge-drinking' and anyone indulging in regular 'binge-drinking' increases their risk of stroke greatly," said research officer Joanne Murphy.

Public health specialists warned no-one should be encouraged to drink more as a result of this study.

"The relationship between alcohol and heart disease remains controversial," said Professor Martin McKee of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

"While there is good evidence that moderate consumption is protective in people who are at substantial risk of heart disease - which excludes most people under the age of 40 - we also know that most people underestimate how much they drink. This paper adds to the existing literature but should not be considered as definitive. "

In the UK, the recommendation is no more than two to three units of alcohol a day for women - the equivalent of one standard glass of wine - and three to four units for men.

Professor Alan Maryon-Davis, president of the UK Faculty of Public Health, agreed that the message from this study was not clear: "At the end of the day, you're juggling different risks and benefits, maybe helping your heart or maybe damaging your brain and liver.

"The simple message is moderation.

"Stick to the guidelines, and you won't go far wrong."
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Re: Yet more mixed messages - but who cares....

Postby health4ni on Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:33 pm

So many studies show that alcohol is bad but that's "old news" and such studies are never reported on in the media. Out comes one that says it's ok and they report on it lol

They do it all the time.

It's nonsensical to report on this with the UK & Ireland's drink problem and increasing levels of heart disease, high blood pressure, obesity etc.
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Postby simon m on Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:34 pm

Again, moderation mate, a little bit of what you fancy and all that.

I tend to have two small glasses of wine most nights, so a bottle last 3 days on average.

I also have an IPA with a curry and that's about it booze wise.
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Re: Yet more mixed messages - but who cares....

Postby health4ni on Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:40 pm

I feel it's more to do with what makes you happy. So, if a glass or two a night makes you feel better (and not the booze talking lol) then so be it. You'll probably be better off in the long run than someone who worries all the time about wanting some but not having any. And then in that case keeping it moderate is sensible. Although some people just don't worry about not having any (like me).

I still believe in it's absolute terms alcohol has no benefits (sure, resveratrol in wine is amazing, but take it in a pill)... other than making you feel better if drinking alcohol allows you to relax more and feel such a way.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy it now & again too. Not much these days and when I do I'm pished after just sniffing it!
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Re: Yet more mixed messages - but who cares....

Postby simon m on Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:57 pm

In my job I could easily drink myself to death and when I worked in the city I knew people who pretty much did that.

I don't like hangovers, but I do like a good glass of wine, but my days of getting drunk every weekend are a life time ago.
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Re: Yet more mixed messages - but who cares....

Postby Dtlv74 on Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:20 pm

Resurrected wrote:......I now have a reason to get pissed everynight :lol:

An interesting study but again it seems not to take into account many other factors ie diet, history of heart disease etc. Also being Spain it would be interesting to see how many in the study group were smokers. As we know many European countries (including Spain) have a high proportion of the population that smoke. So was this taken into account? So many variables that on the face of it are not taken into account.



Agreed, so many things that don't appear to have been considered as variables as to make it impossible to conclude anything from the result. Still, this is a write up of the study and not the study itself... it often seems to me that even when studies are well conducted, all it can take is for a journalist or blogger to 'spin' the conclusions and suddenly the message is twisted into the study saying something it doesn't. Maybe the original is somewhat clearer.
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Re: Yet more mixed messages - but who cares....

Postby kp1512 on Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:30 pm

read this today and thought the same - just as well I dont drink either way
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Re: Yet more mixed messages - but who cares....

Postby Resurrected on Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:34 pm

Dtlv74 wrote:
Resurrected wrote:......I now have a reason to get pissed everynight :lol:

An interesting study but again it seems not to take into account many other factors ie diet, history of heart disease etc. Also being Spain it would be interesting to see how many in the study group were smokers. As we know many European countries (including Spain) have a high proportion of the population that smoke. So was this taken into account? So many variables that on the face of it are not taken into account.



Agreed, so many things that don't appear to have been considered as variables as to make it impossible to conclude anything from the result. Still, this is a write up of the study and not the study itself... it often seems to me that even when studies are well conducted, all it can take is for a journalist or blogger to 'spin' the conclusions and suddenly the message is twisted into the study saying something it doesn't. Maybe the original is somewhat clearer.


I agree Det. More often than not a journo grabs a study and just publicises the brief conclusion of said study without actually publishing all the facts. The BBC do it all the time. Which as an aside I find wrong for a publically funded bidy to do.
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Re: Yet more mixed messages - but who cares....

Postby julesm on Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:09 pm

i always knew i was protecting myself deep down :-)
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