i have done alot of reading and am going to probably do a cycle of this as it seems to have less sides etc
would people please share their knowledge/experineces with this steroid please

WInstrol alone is a poor standalone. GIves me terrible bloods also.
Dbol is much better choice.

bloods?
i would only be using a low dose 150mg -200mg a week
i have heard d-bol has quite bad sides acne and water retention

CHEEF!! wrote:bloods?
i would only be using a low dose 150mg -200mg a week
i have heard d-bol has quite bad sides acne and water retention

Blood tests..

Winstrol is more likely to give you acne but there again its personal. On a dose of 150 - 200 mg a week you wouldn't even notice anything anyway.
Water retention is dependant on diet. You should run an AI anyway 0.5mg of arimidex eod should be plenty.
Dbol is my favourite gear no sides and good gains. You should go for 30mg a day for about 6 weeks.

Saying that though you'd be much better off with test at 500 mg per week..

i will be using it for cutting so not too interested in adding serious mass i may use something else with it not sure what yet tho

CHEEF!! wrote:i will be using it for cutting so not too interested in adding serious mass i may use something else with it not sure what yet tho

Don't use steroids.

CHEEF!! wrote:i will be using it for cutting so not too interested in adding serious mass i may use something else with it not sure what yet tho

steroids do not burn fat, so why use it?

when cutting carbs will be low and physical output should be higher than normal.. the only way you lose fat is by being in a calorie deficit state... using more cals than u take in..

unless you're stepping on stage you can cut perfectly using any steroid to hold onto the muscle..

when i diet for a show i use test enan and deca up til 5-6 weeks out and i'm pretty damn lean by then, veins in the abs etc.. no noticeably water retention..

winny on its own will not yield amazing results, injectable winny has a VERY high infection rate also. If I were to use it it'd be oral only at 30-50mg ED

and still run a decent PCT afterward

IMHO sort the diet and if you want to use a steroid to help maintain muscle while dieting test enan is perfect, if you want to use an oral dbol will work fine.. its cheap as chips also!

ok tnaks i am aware about diet kcal deficit etc but have read it is only effective on a cut as its not very strong/androgenic etc thats all i may look into d-bal tabs thanks

Max wrote:WInstrol alone is a poor standalone. GIves me terrible bloods also.
Dbol is much better choice.

Just interested in how much you pay to have your bloods done Max?

If you're looking at purely lean gains and not concerned about increasing strength/mass as such then Var at say 100mg ED would be a decent choice.

Otherwise you could mix it up and run say 4 weeks Dbol (30mg ED) and then 4 weeks Winstrol (50mg ED).

im not saying i dont wnat to put on mass size but il be more conecerned about gettin lean and not holding water when i cut tbh

aslong as your diet is clean you wont hold hardly anything mate..

if you are feel free run 0.5 adex every other day

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Max wrote:WInstrol alone is a poor standalone. GIves me terrible bloods also.
Dbol is much better choice.

Just interested in how much you pay to have your bloods done Max?

NHS man

Max wrote:

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Max wrote:WInstrol alone is a poor standalone. GIves me terrible bloods also.
Dbol is much better choice.

Just interested in how much you pay to have your bloods done Max?

NHS man

Are you saying that you consistantly get your bloods done through the NHS? Or are we just talking one blood test?

Only reason I would ask is that I'd be surprised that you could constantly get full bloods done repeatedly on the NHS.

I've heard many people say that a cycle of Epistane is comparable to Var and Winnie. Whether there's any truth in that I don't know. Could give Epi a go cheef? I'm thinking of doing a cycle soon. It's also meant to be OK for cutting / body recomp.

Max wrote:

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Max wrote:WInstrol alone is a poor standalone. GIves me terrible bloods also.
Dbol is much better choice.

NHS man

Are you saying that you consistantly get your bloods done through the NHS? Or are we just talking one blood test?

Only reason I would ask is that I'd be surprised that you could constantly get full bloods done repeatedly on the NHS.

Every 3-4 months yes. Depends what I'm doing with my gear. NHS services are honourbound to keep you in health even if the conition is self inflicted. I.e. heroin addicts / alcoholics..

My doctor is ace, she says I know more about steroids than her and she damb fine

Last time when the nurse took my blood pressure she said "Hmmmm large arms"

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Last time when the nurse took my blood pressure she said "Hmmmm large arms" [/quote]

Thats good,now your head won't feel left out!

ParaManiac wrote:[quote="Max

Last time when the nurse took my blood pressure she said "Hmmmm large arms"

Thats good,now your head won't feel left out! [/quote]

hahaha

radicalry00 wrote:I've heard many people say that a cycle of Epistane is comparable to Var and Winnie. Whether there's any truth in that I don't know. Could give Epi a go cheef? I'm thinking of doing a cycle soon. It's also meant to be OK for cutting / body recomp.

epi looks good although im not too clued up on it i can get winny easily and would prob have to order some of that online which id rather not risk

Epi is legal to buy mate even though it's a steroid. It's only legal due to some silly loophole in the law.

http://www.extremesupplements.co.uk seems the most reasonable place to buy.

cool il read up on it i tohugh it was a pro hormone? anyhow i may do a cycle of sus and deca for 8 weeks then do a winstrol one in the summer would just nolva on its own be ok for pct with help from a few other supps like cissus for cotisol or would it be wise to use hcg and clomid?

CHEEF!! wrote:cool il read up on it i tohugh it was a pro hormone? anyhow i may do a cycle of sus and deca for 8 weeks then do a winstrol one in the summer would just nolva on its own be ok for pct with help from a few other supps like cissus for cotisol or would it be wise to use hcg and clomid?

I wouldnt use all of that for your first cycle pal. Keep it simple and use something like dbol/deca if anything at all. Might look somethiing like

Weeks1-4:
2ml deca p/week
30mg Dbol ED

Weeks4-8:
2ml deca p/week

Then 6-8 weeks of decent PCT but seriously I'd suggest waiting a few years mate.

Cheef

How about just forgetting all about doing roids this year and making your diet and training the number one priority. If you supplemented with OAKG and 50% Cissus on alternate months and worked your nuts off in the kitchen and gym I'm certain you'd get better, more long lasting results than looking for an easy boost.

simon m wrote:Cheef

How about just forgetting all about doing roids this year and making your diet and training the number one priority. If you supplemented with OAKG and 50% Cissus on alternate months and worked your nuts off in the kitchen and gym I'm certain you'd get better, more long lasting results than looking for an easy boost.

I'm with Simon on this as you still have plenty of natural potential left which is obvious from your pics. Seeing how well Max has done can make it easy to want to follow suit but I've noticed a trend with some younger guys using ASS in that between cycles they almost get lazy with their diet and training and get into the thinking that they can fall back on their cycle to turn things around. I'm not saying everyone is like that, or potentially yourself, but while you're still young you've gotta ask yourself whether you need to really do it.

cool thanks guys iv decided to leave it till maybe next year i will roder some novedex xt just to see if it does make any difference and will get some 50% cissus for sure