...Just curious as i have seen a few peeps talk of using it pre worout recently

Is it good as a pre workout stimulant even if you aint on a diet? Whats the effect on appetite like?

Cheers

Edit - Not asking Rilla. That is a given. Apparenetly he takes it pre bed to calm him down

it's not bad if you run out of whizz...

Used it when i was younger, dropped me to sub 10% BF for the first time in my life but i wouldnt touch it again to be honest.

I've never touched it. Any such allegations are completely untrue and based on speculations.

Rilla wrote:I've never touched it. Any such allegations are completely untrue and based on speculations.

Its down your gullet so fast you probably don't physically touch it

Edited the OP Rilla

Rab wrote:
Edit - Not asking Rilla. That is a given. Apparenetly he takes it pre bed to calm him down

LOL. Good one Rabbi.

Rab wrote:Is it good as a pre workout stimulant even if you aint on a diet? Whats the effect on appetite like?

You need to work out your tolerance, too much gives me the shakes, which you do not want while squatting.

Heart palpitations when I got the dose wrong while mixing with caffeine and asprin scared the shit out of me but otherwise it gives a nice buzz.

Appetite, some suppression and a feeling that you do not want to eat, rather than just being not hungry. I'd rather take it before a night out of dancing than the gym to be honest.

Ive used it in the past a few years ago but wouldnt touch the stuff nowadays, it effects my appetite and even if your bulking/dieting food is to important to restrict.

I am just testing something for KP at the moment but its early days but woooow this stuff is great for strength and pump, knocks anything ive tried before up to now...

I'm using 25mg a day at the moment, makes me sweat like a bitch and lets me focus very well and I just seem to be able to train to absolute exhaustion. I think it's the best thing you can take for leaning up... not without a couple of side effects but just need to be sensible.

I'm considering using it in a few weeks time to rip up a little more...

That said I've only been using caffeine as a fat loss aid until now...would i be better off with something more mild? The sides do worry me a bit and I'm a bit of a hypochondriac when it comes to my heart!

Sound.

So its not a good idea then even just as a pre workout stimulant unless you are cutting maybe!

Rab wrote:Sound.

So its not a good idea then even just as a pre workout stimulant unless you are cutting maybe!

Depends if you can still eat after you have taken it, the half life if i can remember is around 3-6hours so personally i think other methods would be a better option for a pre workout stimulant, unless you can still eat while using it, guess your better off trying it and see for yourself..

I use it here and their..but prefer Noreph which is hard to come by now. I generally swtich between them both as Noreph is way better in terms of effect for me.

Even at 22/23 i found it made me extremely jittery and id attribute a lot of the weight loss to just reduction in eating. I remember i very rarely went for a dump in those days, was all a bit weird.

I was doing a mental amount of cardio as well, were talking an hour to 90 minutes on a static bike AFTER a hour or so of weights.. there used to be a swimming pool of sweat under me.

Looking back now it was an awful way to do thing, but it did drop my weight and BF and as my main thing at the time was playing football the drop of bodyweight really quickened me up. I used this in an off season and surprised my team mates when we came back for training as i was like a rocket.

I dont think its for me then as my appetite isnt the best at times. I struggle to break 3500 kcals per day consistently.

bad points:
body temp rise - sweating
no appetite for 6+ hours after taking
confuses you sometimes
utterly bad come down feels like your dying.

good points:
energy and focus is immense
body temp rise - more kcals burned
no appetite - weight loss
cheap easy to get hold of
combine it with caffeine to kick it in better
makes you stronger

curtis wrote:bad points:
body temp rise - sweating
no appetite for 6+ hours after taking
confuses you sometimes
utterly bad come down feels like your dying.

good points:
energy and focus is immense
body temp rise - more kcals burned
no appetite - weight loss
cheap easy to get hold of
combine it with caffeine to kick it in better
makes you stronger

He was talking about eph, not MDMA

I've used it it (am using it right now) and the sides don't hit me unless the caffeine intake is high. For me sides are directly related to caffeine intake, the more caffeine I take, the more sides I get from ephedrine. I've tried this several times and can take it before bed and still sleep if the caffeine intake is low.

ollie wrote:He was talking about eph, not MDMA

I was thinking the same thing

I have lost a few pounds over the years dancing on such "cutting agents"

Rab wrote:

ollie wrote:He was talking about eph, not MDMA

I was thinking the same thing

I have lost a few pounds over the years dancing on such "cutting agents"

Haha me too!

cleaver wrote:

Rab wrote:

ollie wrote:He was talking about eph, not MDMA

I was thinking the same thing

I have lost a few pounds over the years dancing on such "cutting agents"

Haha me too!

What the comedown bit or the confused bit?

ollie wrote:

curtis wrote:bad points:
body temp rise - sweating
no appetite for 6+ hours after taking
confuses you sometimes
utterly bad come down feels like your dying.

good points:
energy and focus is immense
body temp rise - more kcals burned
no appetite - weight loss
cheap easy to get hold of
combine it with caffeine to kick it in better
makes you stronger

He was talking about eph, not MDMA

Comparing eph ro MDMA effects/ sides says it all lol

Craig wrote:What the comedown bit or the confused bit?

Pretty much all of it:

"Cheap and easy to get hold of"
"Energy and focus is immense"
"No appetite - weight loss"
"Confuses you sometimes"
"Utterly bad come down feels like you're dying" - only if you've been taking too much young man...

Hmm...I wonder how such an unorthodox stimulant would affect a session...definitely wouldn't be able to wear an iPod

ollie wrote:

Craig wrote:What the comedown bit or the confused bit?

Pretty much all of it:

"Cheap and easy to get hold of"
"Energy and focus is immense"
"No appetite - weight loss"
"Confuses you sometimes"
"Utterly bad come down feels like you're dying" - only if you've been taking too much young man...

Hmm...I wonder how such an unorthodox stimulant would affect a session...definitely wouldn't be able to wear an iPod

Energy is a funny one on mdma and there is no focus on any one thing for more than 5 seconds!