I use, and have used EPH, for 2 things over the last few years:

1/ Approx 40mcg Pre-cardio when i'm in a high intensity cardio phase. Nothing encourages running and sprinting like a good dose of EPH or ECA (See also Grenades, Stackers etc). Best not used for interval training or low heart rate zone cardio. My pulse is at 100bpm just standing on the treadmill on that stuff. Up to 130bpm in a flash. When i first used it (aged 23 i think) it had fat loss results big time, in just 5 weeks, now i just see it as an occasional training aid.

2/ Approx 40-60mcg for Nights out. It s a very clean and very reliable mild speed type substitute. I never get any sides or comedown when using it for this purpose. Mix with a diet coke or some diet red-bull, a nice long clean alert feeling for up to 4 hours. When i was less committed to my training i'd mix i with a few pints of lager and that was even better!

I dont use it pre-weights as my workouts are usually involving supersets or back-to-back compound moves which get the heart rate so damn high anyway, the EPH just kicks my pulse into orbit and i end up feeling a bit sick and light headed (more so than usual!) Also i get no strength benefits from it.

Those are my EPH experiences (oh and getting all my mates hooked on it.. lol)

I don't get much of an effect from narnegin, if any at all. But then again, as GB kindly reminded me, I'm not very trustworthy when it comes to stims.

I used to use it a hell of alot when i was younger but have not touched it now for a number of years.

The side effects were not too bad but the mai thing was the lack of appetite. That really sucked. So a few heavy lifting sessions a week and then i used to wonder why i could not get out of the 67.5KG class. I'm in the 90's now.

I just use caffeine now and that works almost as well.

See no one has mentioned the worst side effect of them all for the boys, penial shrinkage while on it. That combined with a tight lifting suit.......well put it this way its a good job my missus loves me

Thank god I am not a man!

GymBunny wrote::shock: Thank god I am not a man!

Actually, I've been looking for something to shrink my middle stump

simon m wrote:

GymBunny wrote::shock: Thank god I am not a man!

Actually, I've been looking for something to shrink my middle stump

Do you not mean your 3rd leg?

simon m wrote:

GymBunny wrote::shock: Thank god I am not a man!

Actually, I've been looking for something to shrink my middle stump

Well that will do it mate

I've heard this one before but never noticed in all honesty.

Alex wrote:I've heard this one before but never noticed in all honesty.

Same for me.
I've probably taken about five peoples share of EPH and I get no complaints in that department.

Rilla wrote:

Alex wrote:I've heard this one before but never noticed in all honesty.

Same for me.
I've probably taken about five peoples share of EPH and I get no complaints in that department.

But, as I have reminded you before, you are not an accurate measure for stims.

GymBunny wrote:

Rilla wrote:

Alex wrote:I've heard this one before but never noticed in all honesty.

Same for me.
I've probably taken about five peoples share of EPH and I get no complaints in that department.

But, as I have reminded you before, you are not an accurate measure for stims.

Heh, maybe not.