i dont really drink much milk at all, other than in tea, and since i have been sat doing nothing for 6 months, i've been drinking lots of tea to while away the hours.

i dont necessarily subscribe to what was said, rather to throw it out for debate.
just done a brief search with basic terms and come across this: (it is 3 yrs of age apparently)

http://www.karlloren.com/diet/milk/p12.htm

Interesting article jules,i found this on another site

Cow milk is not good for human babies. Only Human milk is good for human babies. Even formula is seriously lacking in this department. If you have to give a baby milk from another species, goat milk is much better, although still lacking in omega 3 fatty acids. It is well tolerated and the proteins are easier to absorb and use than cows milk. This is due to the molecular composition, which for goat milk is 1/5 that of cow milk. Goat milk can be digested and assimilated in the bloodstream in 20 minutes versus two hours for cow milk.

For adults it is great. While it may have been put there for calves, it still has a lot of the things adult humans need. Plenty of fats and proteins. It is basically like eating meat. Imagine your a prehistoric hunter that has to hunt and kill to get these nutrients and then discovers he can get the same nutrients from domesticating a cow (or goat) and drinking the milk. A much safer grantee that he will not starve.

Now for the kicker. There is a huge misconception of what is good milk. Regular store bought milk is close to poison. It is loaded with hormones, antibiotics and pesticides as well as a number of allowed puss cells. That's right I said PUSS. Yummy. More importantly the processes of homogenization and pasteurization ruins the digestibility of milk.

Homogenization takes normal fat cells which are to large to enter the blood stream through the intestines and makes them small enough that they can. This scars the arteries and leads to heart disease because they are not supposed to be there.

Pasteurizing milk kills the enzymes needed to digest it, namely lactase which is needed to break down lactose. This is why so many people have lactose intolerance. Most people with lactose intolerance can actually digest raw milk because the enzymes are still alive. If you CAN digest pasteurized milk with no enzymes it is most likely because you have more milk drinking ancestors who developed the ability to produce lactase after infancy. Or you have been drinking it since your own infancy never turning off the lactase production.
Pasteurization also alters the protein. Cows milk has very different and delicate proteins. They are easily damaged by heat. The altered proteins can not be used very well by the body and most are carried out as waste.

Raw Milk = great adult food
Regular Milk = unusable protein, heart disease, puss, hard to digest, pesticides, hormones, antibiotics, burden on your body = poison

I think a lot of people would be more ill than they are if it were as bad as that makes out.

However, I'll keep an eye out for un-homogenised and raw milk, as I can well believe it's better for you.

Rorschach wrote:I think a lot of people would be more ill than they are if it were as bad as that makes out.

However, I'll keep an eye out for un-homogenised and raw milk, as I can well believe it's better for you.

Tesco sell full-fat Channel Island milk and it's absolutely delicious, I've been using it for the past 6-12 months now. Its unhomogenized but it's still pasteurized...

Bison wrote:

Rorschach wrote:I think a lot of people would be more ill than they are if it were as bad as that makes out.

However, I'll keep an eye out for un-homogenised and raw milk, as I can well believe it's better for you.

Tesco sell full-fat Channel Island milk and it's absolutely delicious, I've been using it for the past 6-12 months now. Its unhomogenized but it's still pasteurized...

It is possible to get it unpasteurised, but this requires you to nip over the hedge first thing in the morning when the cows are being milked Yes I know that's being smart, but I am bitterly disappointed the farmer I got all my milk from in the market has stopped coming to it. I can see my tea consumption decreasingly rapidly if I have to buy milk from the shops.

Only thing worse than homogenised is heat treated (for long life) PLUS homogenised.....can we say ewwww?

You cant get unpasturised milk at all in Jock Land. Its illegal.

On the topic of PWO. I think im going to alter my pwo shake to 40g of whey and 60g dex instead of 60g whey & 20g dex. I usualy eat a 250-350g steak 1.5-2 hours after training anyway and I think some more carbs around the PWO window might suit me better

Rab wrote:You cant get unpasturised milk at all in Jock Land. Its illegal.

Then Yanks get around this via a 'cow share'- like buying a time-share in an apartment, you get say 1/30 rights to a cow that lives on a local farm, and then collect 'your' milk rather than buying it in a standalone transaction.

Spit wrote:

Rab wrote:You cant get unpasturised milk at all in Jock Land. Its illegal.

Then Yanks get around this via a 'cow share'- like buying a time-share in an apartment, you get say 1/30 rights to a cow that lives on a local farm, and then collect 'your' milk rather than buying it in a standalone transaction.

How about i just ask the cows out my back door if they dont mind me giving them a wee tug



Seriously though...there is a decent quality ( I think) dairy farm just round the corner from me. Maybe worth a shot eh?

Sod the milk mate.... hit that little fecker with the bricks and you'll have enough organic steak to last you until Christmas

Reckon it's worth a shot Rab, the difference between fresh milk and pasteurised is like the difference between a big mac and a rare sirloin.

If you wanna go about doing it yourself. Warm hands, speaking gently and Mozart help otherwise the contrary buggers hold their milk up, or kick the bucket over (or you!)

GymBunny wrote:If you wanna go about doing it yourself. Warm hands, speaking gently and Mozart help

Giggidy giggidy goo!

Marks1972 wrote:

GymBunny wrote:If you wanna go about doing it yourself. Warm hands, speaking gently and Mozart help

Giggidy giggidy goo!

You are far too excited about the prospect of milking cows Mark.

ohhh...cows....right.

Marks1972 wrote:ohhh...cows....right.

ROFL!

I'm with Mark, methinks GB has let something out of the bag!

Anyway back to OP. I just have whey post workout, then a solid meal.

I'm pretty much the same at the moment, whey, wsm and creatine mono post and followed up with 50/50 split whey and mpc around 30-40 mins after that. Main meal around 30-40 mins afterwards.