Depends how much free cash you have I guess.

Your point is very valid mate, but this is a first ever cycle and I currently only supp with whey/creatine/fish oils/multivit and will continue as so until I cut in november when I might break out some EPH although I'm not sure sbout that. So when I come to run cycle, I will only experience the gains from the test which I'm interested to record for reference - and record any sides specific to running test. I'm just nailing the supps after cos I don't wanna feel pathetic as some do - I may not even supp with anything beyond the basics if I feel fine.

upright wrote:Your point is very valid mate, but this is a first ever cycle and I currently only supp with whey/creatine/fish oils/multivit and will continue as so until I cut in november when I might break out some EPH although I'm not sure sbout that. So when I come to run cycle, I will only experience the gains from the test which I'm interested to record for reference - and record any sides specific to running test. I'm just nailing the supps after cos I don't wanna feel pathetic as some do - I may not even supp with anything beyond the basics if I feel fine.

Feeling pathetic comes from the suppressed testosterone levels mate. No supplement will greatly improve that apart from PCT of course.

Good thinking though and good luck whatever you decide.

Rab wrote:How would you go about the missus Si? Keep it quiet?

I have been pussy whipped and told that there is to be no nedles in our house. She is wise to this game

Haha - I was told that too, but I put it to her that with all he burgularies lately, and all the miher Lee's ben bringing to our door, it's only likely to get worse and it's better to be able to throw people out of windows than hav to grappl with hem too long... I also told her to get in shape so I can send her and Lee off to self defence classes - I don't want any victims in my house.

upright wrote:

Rab wrote:How would you go about the missus Si? Keep it quiet?

I have been pussy whipped and told that there is to be no nedles in our house. She is wise to this game

Haha - I was told that too, but I put it to her that with all he burgularies lately, and all the miher Lee's ben bringing to our door, it's only likely to get worse and it's better to be able to throw people out of windows than hav to grappl with hem too long... I also told her to get in shape so I can send her and Lee off to self defence classes - I don't want any victims in my house.

Send them off to classes so you can jab when they are out

I notice that you can buy injectables in either the little glass vials or in the 10ml bottles. whats best? Isnt it a pain in the ares (no pun intended) if you have to crack a vial open, draw, then crack the other.....rather than just drawing all 1.5ml or whatever it works out from the wee bottles???

Rab wrote:I notice that you can buy injectables in either the little glass vials or in the 10ml bottles. whats best? Isnt it a pain in the ares (no pun intended) if you have to crack a vial open, draw, then crack the other.....rather than just drawing all 1.5ml or whatever it works out from the wee bottles???

Vials are easier although they don't sound it, you know your getting the right amount every time, cracking them open is easy. Obviously you use all the vial in one go, not just half etc..they take 1 second to crack open so its no worries drawing then waiting. Also the bottles can blunt needles, then again I draw with seperate green needle anyway.

curtis wrote:

Rab wrote:I notice that you can buy injectables in either the little glass vials or in the 10ml bottles. whats best? Isnt it a pain in the ares (no pun intended) if you have to crack a vial open, draw, then crack the other.....rather than just drawing all 1.5ml or whatever it works out from the wee bottles???

Vials are easier although they don't sound it, you know your getting the right amount every time, cracking them open is easy. Obviously you use all the vial in one go, not just half etc..they take 1 second to crack open so its no worries drawing then waiting. Also the bottles can blunt needles, then again I draw with seperate green needle anyway.

Curty baby vials are the big ones and amps are the small ones bro. Pharma stuff comes in amps and UG stuff comes in vials in general.

Craig wrote:

curtis wrote:

Rab wrote:I notice that you can buy injectables in either the little glass vials or in the 10ml bottles. whats best? Isnt it a pain in the ares (no pun intended) if you have to crack a vial open, draw, then crack the other.....rather than just drawing all 1.5ml or whatever it works out from the wee bottles???

Vials are easier although they don't sound it, you know your getting the right amount every time, cracking them open is easy. Obviously you use all the vial in one go, not just half etc..they take 1 second to crack open so its no worries drawing then waiting. Also the bottles can blunt needles, then again I draw with seperate green needle anyway.

Curty baby vials are the big ones and amps are the small ones bro. Pharma stuff comes in amps and UG stuff comes in vials in general.

HA HA so sorry ... I know what I meant!!! Sorry dude! Got mixed around with the words!

edit: After reading back, Rab mixed me up! ''Little glass vials OR 10ml bottles'' woooooops

It's alright Edit: yes rab does these things deliberatly

I agree that the 10ml vials are harder to deal with as you have to disinfect the stopper, measure out the right amount and getting the last ml out is an art form .

With the amps you just crack it open and your away.

Is there not a way to go about it without the whole PCT, seems like a grande pain in the arse after a course going into recovery mode then back onto the gear lol .

kean.1 wrote:Is there not a way to go about it without the whole PCT, seems like a grande pain in the arse after a course going into recovery mode then back onto the gear lol .

That is a joke isn't it?

nope. Know very little of steroids. Read a thing about pulse cycles once that said a need of little to none pct but i think that was for a mild one. So it was a genuin question

upright wrote:

kean.1 wrote:Is there not a way to go about it without the whole PCT, seems like a grande pain in the arse after a course going into recovery mode then back onto the gear lol .

That is a joke isn't it?

Kean is a newbie just

kean.1 wrote:nope. Know very little of steroids. Read a thing about pulse cycles once that said a need of little to none pct but i think that was for a mild one. So it was a genuin question

I'm no expert either, but the 2 are hand in hand, no 2 ways. Personally, I think that alot of the recommended PCT is well into the realms of overkill, but people giving advice on boards are not doctors and don't want the odd 1 prcent of guys to actually need it and not have it. This is the approach I will be following - always better safe than sorry until you know yourself.

hmm fare play. This is why i dont take steroids as id probably have liver failure already

kean.1 wrote:Is there not a way to go about it without the whole PCT, seems like a grande pain in the arse after a course going into recovery mode then back onto the gear lol .

sure just stay on

Rab wrote:How would you go about the missus Si? Keep it quiet?

I have been pussy whipped and told that there is to be no nedles in our house. She is wise to this game

I'll do it at work! If I do it at all!

I'm still toying with the idea myself. But no matter what everyone else says i will only be doing orals!

Jake The Muss wrote:I'm still toying with the idea myself. But no matter what everyone else says i will only be doing orals!

OO er- Is that a typo?

upright wrote:

Jake The Muss wrote:I'm still toying with the idea myself. But no matter what everyone else says i will only be doing orals!

OO er- Is that a typo?

Nope

Well, yer training's a winner, if I must eat men to get as huge as you then so be it...

upright wrote:Well, yer training's a winner, if I must eat men to get as huge as you then so be it...

My training,you may be interested to know as you are now doing it, comes from a bloke i know who learnt it in HMP Belmarsh.

Jake The Muss wrote:My training,you may be interested to know as you are now doing it, comes from a bloke i know who learnt it in HMP Belmarsh.

There are many things I don't need to know and you're having a field day...

curtis wrote:Craig - I would not run HCG as early as week 2, only on say week 6 - 12 I did not get any problems in that area really, but they came around week 6-8 if at all.

Intra testicular testosterone (ITT) production shutdown (from LH shutdown) occurs about 2-3 weeks after the cycle starts, so starting small doses of hCG after 2nd week is a good call (something like 250 IUs/2x week, 250 IUs/3x week if shrinkage still occurs later on).