Anybody willin to back me up?
http://forum.**/showthread.php?t=15599

Douglas Paddon-Jones, Melinda Sheffield-Moore, Asle Aarsland, Robert R. Wolfe, and Arny A. Ferrando
Exogenous amino acids stimulate human muscle anabolism without interfering with the response to mixed meal ingestion
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 288: E761-E767, 2005. First published November 30, 2004; doi:10.1152/ajpendo.00291.200

In this study, supplementation with 15 grams of protein (essential amino acids) and 30 grams of carbohydrates was shown to produce a greater anabolic effect (stimulation of muscle protein synthesis) than a meal containing the same dose of essential amino acids. Furthermore, the consumption of the supplement did not interfere with the normal anabolic response to a meal consumed 3 hours later.

These findings are incredibly important as they provide a number of insights as to how bodybuilders and other athletes can manipulate their eating plan to accelerate gains in strength and muscle mass.

Firstly, the results of this study suggest that the refractory period when muscle protein synthesis can be reignited by feeding is much shorter than previously assumed, particularly when protein supplements are used. The results also suggest that strategic use of protein supplements between regular meals will have a much greater anabolic effect on muscle than the consumption of meals alone.

The bottom line is that on a gram for gram basis, protein supplementation provides a greater anabolic effect on muscle. When protein supplements are used between regular meals they will ensure a higher rate of protein synthesis within muscle. In turn, this will ensure a higher net gain in muscle protein and therefore, more rapid growth from resistance training.

Mate

Your pissing in the wind with them its TOTALLY pointless.

They all know more..as they all have more muscle then everyone. NOT

James is deluded as he never dieted properly in the first place, and will have lost and gained fat the same if he justed used his intelligence in setting his diet right.

Nu, well likes to use every research journal to prove his point without actually having proved anything in real life. You also need to bear in mind that he holds Tate and Lyle responsible for his mothers death, used to eat bags of sweets, and then wonders why he got fat and lazy and had sugar wobblies.

Need we say more?

KP

Ahh forget it, this fights over

Canuck PT wrote:Ahh forget it, this fights over

Mate you sooo did the right thing!

Just sit back mate and observe over the coming months...ALL those using this method will have put on about as much muscle as a haddock in cynanide. You WILL obv put on SOME..if you work your profile right..but it will be a reduced amount.....servely reduced amount.

But itll change...the freaks will suddenly realise that yes YOU may need to add Pre and Post carbs.....to get optimal gains...then someone will try and champion it....and claim it off as a new idea!....lol...you couldnt dream the shit up!

KP

KP, I shake my head everytime mate.

I pretty much give as I told I'm some exception and it's genetics etc.

Or maybe I've just got it fairly right along with quite few others on here.

Alex wrote:KP, I shake my head everytime mate.

I pretty much give as I told I'm some exception and it's genetics etc.

Or maybe I've just got it fairly right along with quite few others on here.

Going back to my moaning self...I find it short of amazing that this entire 3 meal, or high fat, or whatever has converted so many.....but can ANYONE show me ONE person thats put on size on MP or anyone else?...itll really ne like blind leading the blind....

Duncan? Deluded and to be honest hasnt made any gains, Gareth, well 9 month cut which could have been done in 3 months, Nu? well rnough said? Wotan? Doesnt train, Spud? Well wont even bring any feasible collateral to the table, James? Hasnt put on size (much to claim) but has got stronger.....

I mean am I missing something? Maybe I just need a little educating?....

Now dont get me wrong, I follow a TKD diet similar to Dave Palumbo and what Lyle devised..BUT its also changed abit for my and my body....and its very simple...I just feel really sorry for these people that say there loving the diet, there losing weight, and then will delude themselves and moan and bitch as to why they havent put on any size?....then look for supplements?! OH DAMN Ive just stumbled on why its being allowed!

I think youre right KP, was thinking this the other day.

People like you guys are not the best customers for MP, youll buy smart. They need the new trainers that will read posts from people like Fat Cockman and Dinky Duncan and buy everything that MP has to offer instead of sticking to the tried and tested basics and training like demons.

I myself pissed a ton of money away when i discovered MP trying everything they had. The last thing they need is you lot actually telling new folks how to get results without wasting 100's of quids

Marks1972 wrote:I think youre right KP, was thinking this the other day.

People like you guys are not the best customers for MP, youll buy smart. They need the new trainers that will read posts from people like Fat Cockman and Dinky Duncan and buy everything that MP has to offer instead of sticking to the tried and tested basics and training like demons.

I myself pissed a ton of money away when i discovered MP trying everything they had. The last thing they need is you lot actually telling new folks how to get results without wasting 100's of quids

Well this is it! Its all very well anyone selling supplements, but I can count nearly 2twice on both hands, how many supplements people sell that are wasteful or provide VERY LITTLE gain...its about money and cost. I trained through College and Uni and then I used Prograin from Maximuscle.....as then that was pretty much all we had!....Feck did I make them rich...but it wasnt long before I realised what a waste of money it all was.....similar to other supplements......you gota be realistic in only keeping with the bread and butter...the 45 mins in the gym is very little overall to getting bigger..its what happens outside of it.....and what you give your body......

KP

A quote from MP's BCAA thread sums up what you've just said KP.

Is there a reason you guys seem to take 5g all at once instead of MP recommended 2-3g twice daily?

The correct reply should be along the line of:

The reason they quote this is give the impression they're offering value for money. In reality the actual dosing protocol for BCAA's or the majority of other supplements MP offer is significantly higher to have any decent effect.

So the reason is that we don'y buy into their value bullshit, use the correct dosing protocols and use sources that are significantly far better value for money.

If you’re a male aged between 20 and 45 and you love to eat cheese, you better read this report very carefully. A recent study has shown that men who eat a lot of cheese are at a higher risk of contracting testicular cancer. Testicular cancer is the most common form of cancer in men aged between 20 and 45 years.

Overall knowledge of what increases the risk of testicular cancer is very limited. Scientists at the University of Ottawa in Canada set out to investigate the impact of diet on this form of cancer.

Data from 601 cases of testicular cancer and 744 population-based controls collected in eight of the 10 Canadian provinces between 1994-97 were used to explore the relationship between diet and testicular cancer risk. The researchers systematically examined 17 food groups, 15 nutrients and four individual foods based on data collected through a 69-item food-frequency questionnaire.

Results suggested that a high intake of cheese is associated with an elevated risk of testicular cancer in Canadian males. The high amount of trans fats in cooked cheese is suspected as the culprit.

International Journal of Cancer, October, 2003.

However, bodybuilders tend to be pretty smart when it comes to avoiding high fat foods in their diet. Avoiding regular (full-fat) cheese appears to be a smart move for men.

Additionally,

There is not a lot of well controlled research on the effects of varied levels of dietary carbohydrate and fat intake on strength and mass gains during bodybuilding training. However, one recent study performed by researchers at the University of Findlay in Ohio recently examined the effects of varied carbohydrate and fat intake on strength and high intensity exercise performance (Journal of Sports Medicine and Physical Fitness 42;31–37, 2002).

Subjects participated in two 3-week treatment conditions; a high carbohydrate/low fat diet or a moderate carbohydrate and high fat diet. Results of the study revealed no significant differences in force production, total work production, maximal bench press strength, or muscular endurance between the two dietary conditions. Additionally, exercise logs revealed that over each 3-week treatment period, training volume and intensity were maintained.

The researchers concluded that a low carbohydrate/high fat diet did not impair training and muscular strength performance in these moderately trained men. However, this low carb/high fat approach did not enhance any of the performance parameters either.

From the literature it seems clear that strategic intake of carbohydrates would only enhance strength and lean mass gains.

similair discusion going on here http://forum.**/showthread.php?t=15572

I enjoy it

nrage04 wrote:similair discusion going on here http://forum.**/showthread.php?t=15572

I enjoy it

And your digestive system isnt a conveyor belt neither, so your point is?

My first comeback would have been the same lol

KP

Canuck PT wrote:If you’re a male aged between 20 and 45 and you love to eat cheese, you better read this report very carefully. A recent study has shown that men who eat a lot of cheese are at a higher risk of contracting testicular cancer. Testicular cancer is the most common form of cancer in men aged between 20 and 45 years.

Overall knowledge of what increases the risk of testicular cancer is very limited. Scientists at the University of Ottawa in Canada set out to investigate the impact of diet on this form of cancer.

Data from 601 cases of testicular cancer and 744 population-based controls collected in eight of the 10 Canadian provinces between 1994-97 were used to explore the relationship between diet and testicular cancer risk. The researchers systematically examined 17 food groups, 15 nutrients and four individual foods based on data collected through a 69-item food-frequency questionnaire.

Results suggested that a high intake of cheese is associated with an elevated risk of testicular cancer in Canadian males. The high amount of trans fats in cooked cheese is suspected as the culprit.

International Journal of Cancer, October, 2003.

However, bodybuilders tend to be pretty smart when it comes to avoiding high fat foods in their diet. Avoiding regular (full-fat) cheese appears to be a smart move for men.

Additionally,

There is not a lot of well controlled research on the effects of varied levels of dietary carbohydrate and fat intake on strength and mass gains during bodybuilding training. However, one recent study performed by researchers at the University of Findlay in Ohio recently examined the effects of varied carbohydrate and fat intake on strength and high intensity exercise performance (Journal of Sports Medicine and Physical Fitness 42;31–37, 2002).

Subjects participated in two 3-week treatment conditions; a high carbohydrate/low fat diet or a moderate carbohydrate and high fat diet. Results of the study revealed no significant differences in force production, total work production, maximal bench press strength, or muscular endurance between the two dietary conditions. Additionally, exercise logs revealed that over each 3-week treatment period, training volume and intensity were maintained.

The researchers concluded that a low carbohydrate/high fat diet did not impair training and muscular strength performance in these moderately trained men. However, this low carb/high fat approach did not enhance any of the performance parameters either.

From the literature it seems clear that strategic intake of carbohydrates would only enhance strength and lean mass gains.

So from reading this, I come to the conclusion that it's best to go High Protein, Moderate, Carbs and make the rest up with clean fats as a general rule. Which I was pretty much where I was at when I started. Lately, I've been chatting to a few big guys at work. some have used roids overs not. In general, if I menioned to them BCAAs, Leucine, this protein, that protein and most of the stuff I've learned since joining forums they give me a blank look cos these guys just don't know or care about this shit. Sure they prob float at quite a moderate BF(15%<) but aren't typically what is described as fat. And they lift big too.

When I first joined MP and started reading reviews on products, I went and bought Bedtime extreme, trib, this that the other. None of these products are wonder drugs. Fact is you need to just get the basics nailed o else it's just a waste of time. For me, my biggest mistakes in the past have been eaing dirty and not getting enough calories for growth. The nobs that are getting all the referals over there at the moment are really frustrating with all the science and none of the real work to results to back up thier mouths.

Personally, I'm through with the little top ups from products like pulse stims if you're gonna alter you're environment just get the roids in, and get the basics right. This has proven results for decades - unlike th new MP wonder product.

Contrary to popular myth, there is no convincing clinical evidence that eating the same number of calories spread over more frequent smaller-sized meals confers any significant metabolic advantage over eating the traditional iso-caloric three meals per day, so there is no need to worry about slowed metabolism. The only criteria you need consider are:

Would eating fewer meals per day leave you feeling excessively hungry in between?
Would eating fewer meals per day make the meals larger than would be comfortable to eat at one sitting?

If you can answer no to those then, providing you can still get the requisite macros and total calories per day, there is no harm in eating three meals per day. Indeed it may encourage your body to use its fat stores more efficiently.

I thought the exact opposite of this statement was true...

yes Alex your point about the BCAA or EAA is absolutely right. Recently I tried to get an extra discount by buying 2 kilograms of EAA or even 3 Kgs. And I was on phone asking for a discount code for these kind of quantity.
Well they said pass your order then send your order number.

We will give you a voucher for your next order ! !

I don't want, I want to save money by buying proper bulk and use the right amount of effective supplements to make decent gains, 30 grams EAA works for me and I want to up this !!
2000 mgs of WTE kills the fat and improve endurance.
HMB 10 grams a day etc etc....

Now I don't to use a myriad of supps, I know what works for me and how much I really need, that's why MP is becoming less appealing to me.

it cost less to buy more with a better bulk price and use the right amount and see gains, than buying less following the recommendations and have virtualy no benefits !!!