Must have hurt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_nIfVwZ1RU

I didnt need to see that man. That must really hurt.

Well if he hasn't practised DL axels then he was a bit of a numpty.

Another one here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW6dTdSnDtU

Ok thats scared me

Do you ever fully recover from something like that? do you need surgery afterwards?

Surgery yes but Ano seems to be recovering.

Frio3535 wrote:Another one here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW6dTdSnDtU

yikes you literally see the bicep bounce up when it tears

I've still never seen someone do that with a double overhand grip!

Frio3535 wrote:Another one here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW6dTdSnDtU

I wonder why that happened? That guy is an experienced lifter and he's doing jack shit wrong that I can see... just one of those things??

I think so.

It's always on the pronated arm because the bicep is under most stress like that. It's basically getting pulled on in a compromising position by nearly half a ton

Bison wrote:

Frio3535 wrote:Another one here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW6dTdSnDtU

I wonder why that happened? That guy is an experienced lifter and he's doing jack shit wrong that I can see... just one of those things??

Like Wardie said, it's the reverse grip that will do that. Volume &/or high reps + very very heavy dealifts + reverse grip will massively increase the chance of a torn biceps. The guys technique is not great either.

health4ni wrote:

Bison wrote:

Frio3535 wrote:Another one here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW6dTdSnDtU

I wonder why that happened? That guy is an experienced lifter and he's doing jack shit wrong that I can see... just one of those things??

Like Wardie said, it's the reverse grip that will do that. Volume &/or high reps + very very heavy dealifts + reverse grip will massively increase the chance of a torn biceps. The guys technique is not great either.

I've felt it tugging on my biceps when deadlifting heavy with that grip so I'd agree with you two actually.

I'm not going to comment on his form because he's so far advanced and ahead of me there, I mean who the **** am I to comment! Though I've watched many top deadlifters and I have to say I usually think their form is shite... even Andy Bolton's doesn't look that great to me lol!

Bison wrote:... even Andy Bolton's doesn't look that great to me lol!

You can't be looking properly... it is always perfect, even on his max pulls...

I think for max lifts in comps the form doesn't matter tbh. It's about lifting it up. But the guy who tore it was doing sets & reps. It just doesn't look great technique for a deadlift session (different to a max pull comp "session").

To add to the reverse grip increasing the chance etc, he regularly pulls with chains and bands which add an uneven stress load to the lift.

^^ yes, very good point.

I know it's easy for us to sit here and say such things about as guy who lifts shit loads and has done for years. But I do feel the points raised are worth noting.

Yes I've seen Andy recommends people don't pull with chains and bands for that reason. If you do it seems to make sense to use straps and double overhand although Matt Griffiths says he hurt his traps from pulling DO when he was used to mixed so that's not without risk either. I also agree with John, Andy's form looks very good to me.

Guys I was taking the piss about Andy Bolton, if there's one guy who can do it right surely it's him?

Wardie wrote:I've still never seen someone do that with a double overhand grip!

I NEVER use a mixed grip on deadlifts - you can feel it pulling on the muscles of each arm and shoulder differently and i just don't trust movements like that. I know you can lift more with a mixed grip but since I'm not a shirtlifter that doesn't matter... would rather be weak than broken!

Great comment on the chains I missed that!

It's probably the chains that actually caused it, or it was certain a big part. Most tears come from a load suddenly being placed on the bicep.

For example.. it happens sometimes when people try to hitch a deadlift if you will.

In this case he got the bar up to the height when the chains start adding weight (whilst his bicep is already under massive stress).

Dtlv74 wrote:

Wardie wrote:I've still never seen someone do that with a double overhand grip!

I NEVER use a mixed grip on deadlifts - you can feel it pulling on the muscles of each arm and shoulder differently and i just don't trust movements like that. I know you can lift more with a mixed grip but since I'm not a shirtlifter that doesn't matter... would rather be weak than broken!

Even so, enhancing grip could add what...50kg to your deadlift? That's going to reflect on your muscle mass massively.

Surely the likelihood of encountering this type of injury can be minimised by making sure the elbows are totally locked?

Karlos wrote:

Dtlv74 wrote:

Wardie wrote:I've still never seen someone do that with a double overhand grip!

I NEVER use a mixed grip on deadlifts - you can feel it pulling on the muscles of each arm and shoulder differently and i just don't trust movements like that. I know you can lift more with a mixed grip but since I'm not a shirtlifter that doesn't matter... would rather be weak than broken!

Even so, enhancing grip could add what...50kg to your deadlift? That's going to reflect on your muscle mass massively.

Surely the likelihood of encountering this type of injury can be minimised by making sure the elbows are totally locked?

You are probably right in terms of missed out on gains... i did try the mixed grip to begin with but it never felt right to me. I suppose maybe i compensate partially for what i miss out on with deadlifts though by doing lots of hang cleans and power cleans for the upper back and RDL's focused on the glutes and hams...

I don't use mixed grip anymore. I did when I first started and never got on well with DL soon as I switched to double overhand it was much better, but I have to say hook grip FTW. Yes you can hurt your thumbs but they soon get used to it and as I can DL and RDL 100kg with HG I really don't think I've missed out much on the extra weight a mixed grip gives. Considering the higher risk of injury with mixed grip I think it outweights any gains in extra weight.

GymBunny wrote:I don't use mixed grip anymore. I did when I first started and never got on well with DL soon as I switched to double overhand it was much better, but I have to say hook grip FTW. Yes you can hurt your thumbs but they soon get used to it and as I can DL and RDL 100kg with HG I really don't think I've missed out much on the extra weight a mixed grip gives. Considering the higher risk of injury with mixed grip I think it outweights any gains in extra weight.

Do you think a hook grip is bad for your thumbs over time (i.e they get squished), or is it only short-term discomfort? I'm curious, may have to give it a shot once my right thumb is a bit less broken.