Agentdark45 wrote:marcus300 wrote:I dont know anything about you other than what ive read but a couple of things are very highlighted to me...your 21yrs old with 2 yrs worth of training under your belt... for me you havent build a good enough foundation to use AAS and your to young and its not worth the risk, remember thats my opinion but i can assure you if i trained you i would put a stone on you within months, you wouldnt be able to move due to the muscle break down and your food bill be prob double.
What are your goals? pro/amature? is it for the women? personal reasons? competeing? holiday?
Priming article =
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Cool, well I have tried upping my routine from a 3 day split (as advised by Dorain Yates to natural athletes) to a 5 day split and was noticing considerable fatigue/loss in strength even while eating like a horse (I was over 4000 cals a day at one point) - I lost strength and gained fat and I'm sure eating less would not have helped the situation either.
My diet has been immaculate, lots of good efa's, over 400 grams protein a day, most carb sources coming from oats/vegges and I mega dose bcaa's around my workouts. With all of this accounted for - this is leading me to think I'm reaching near my max. I think my typically skinny Trinidadian gentics might be holding me back at this point.
My goals are basically to see how massive and cut I can get for aesthetic and personal satisfaction reasons. I don't plan on doing any comps any time soon.
Apprently I don't have authorisation to view that article for some reason?
But good call on the HPTA thing, I need to think long and hard about it as I really don't want to be on any sort of HRT.
Well without going to deep into your training, macros,progress and stats i beg to diifer if your at your natural limit, the priming artice is very important and i will post it below for your attention-
Priming before a cycle explained
Been ask for this a few times now so thought i would post it in a new thread, these are the basic idea's explained regarding priming.
You need to work off a basic diet one which your maintaining on, this is the diet what you prime from, its all about confusing the body, Ive found that carb cycling is the best way to prime, it also keeps hold of valuable muscle tissue if its done correctly,
The best way Ive found is 3-5 days low carb 40% less than your maintenance diet then followed by 1 day high carb 15% higher than the maintenance diet, you will have to adjust the low carb days to suit your body but don't go near 7 days low carbs, a common problem with reducing carbs is that over time the metabolic rate can and will begin to adapt, when carbs stays low for an extended period of time usually at the 7 day mark and up, fat cells attempt to hold on by resisting the release of fatty acids, levels of lipoprotien lipase tend to rise and thyroid levels drop, these both effect overall basal metabolism and are part of the starvation response which off sets reductions in energy intake and is very common to muscle wastage, so adjust to your body's response but in my opinion don't go 7 days or more,
The one high carb day should be introduced around 3-5 day mark of low carbs, the high carb day at around day 3-5 this interrupts the starvation response which restores thyroid levels back to normal while also suppressing the fat storing enzyme lipoprotein ( which rises after day 7 of a lower carb intake) which results in no muscle tissue wastage,
Also if you catch this right at when the glycogen levels drop which is around 3-5 day mark and you follow this by the high carb day with an increase of calories even higher than what the body had been use to previous to the reduction, the body responds by increasing thermogenesis which in turn helps the whole process,
Everybody is different but ive got alot of personally logs/reports which show muscle wastage on carb cycling at the 7 day mark and up, the body re-adjusts itself at this stage and holds onto the fat cells while using the precious muscle tissue as energy, which in turn the individual will lose more muscle tissue than stopping short this process at 3-5 day mark of the low carb,
The key is tricking the metabolism into losing fat instead of muscle tissue by rotating carbs but not letting the body trigger the starvation response, also Ive found that before any type of carb cycling you must of establish a basic diet which you have ran for a number of weeks in where the body isn't gaining or losing any size just maintaining what its got, this is very important because this established diet is what you work off so we get the body to respond the best by dropping bf and holding onto muscle tissue,
As you priming your body goes into a environment were muscle tissue can be built very fast, just look how much you put on after a contest, this whole process you take advantage of and put it together with a cycle and hit all comounds hard and fast, an increase in calories is needed everyday of the cycle, you must support the amount of AAS and growth the body wants to grow, as soon as you start the cycle your body is very anabolic so take advantage of this and hit it hard, growth comes on fast,
Dont set a target weight for the prime, the prime isnt really about weight loss its about priming the body for the intense cycle/training, do the prime as slow as possible the body reacts better if its done this way, make sure you carb cycle of the maintance diet what you have now, confuse the body dont do anything drastic slowly build the enviroment for growth, trust me do this part spot on and the gains are untrue, the body only grows in short bursts this is a natural thing from babys to teenagers, so go with the flow of the body just create the body ready for the growth and very intense training,
Make sure your on a low dose gh throughout the prime,
slowly confuse the body into burning fat as fuel then restore the gyl store with the 1 day high carb, but this 1 day wont full them up only restore abit so next time you low carb for 3-5 day even more fat will be burnt and the process of creating an anabolic enviroment is getting acheived.
when you start to reduce carbs by 40% for 3-5 days the glycogen stores start to deplete and when muscle glycogen stores are lower a metabolic shift occurs where additional fat is used for fuel which in turn promotes fat loss so after you return back to 1 day high carb intake the extra carbs simply re-store muscles with glycogen, so as long as there is room for more glucose from carbs the carbs must be stored as glycogen, but with only one day higher carbs the store are not fully full so the next time you do 3-5 day lower carbs the stores get even more depleted which even triggers more fat loss but the high day carb is enough to stop the starvation response of the body so no metabolic shift to slow it down,
This overall procedure puts your body into a very anabolic environment for muscle tissue to grow couple this with a cycle and growth is amazing, but i must stress the prime as to be done correctly to take full advantage.
marcus
, I'd of thought after 2 years he'd thought of got his newb gains. I'd like to see a log from agentdark45 with your input, I think we could all learn a thing or too if you have the time.