^ that's not to be sniffed at when you consider that half of America thinks the entire world is less than 10,000 years old.

Rab wrote:

Oggy wrote:

Rab wrote:One thing i take with a pinch of salt is when people with some qualifications on nutrition start throwing some psudo evoluionary biology into their brew when they dnt really know what their talking aboot man!

Ok so Rab, tell us what you think our great ancesters had for dinner before man made fire? Oh yeah Darwin says we were monkeys so we would have ate a 95% raw vegan diet, naw it can't be true can it?

As pain says, our Species and our common ancestors also had fire for millions of years. Put that into generational terms.

Darwin didnt say we were monkeys, Darwin says we have common ancestor who was a chimpanzee like creature..but not a chimpanzee or a monkey or an anything we have today...just a common ancestor. And it isn't Darwin who says this, its the whole educated world who now say's this to be the truth and has proven it beyond doubt.

I'm not arguing either way on whether a raw diet is good or not. I don't know enough. All I do know is that nutritionalists who have read the first chapter to the Origin of species shouldn't start throwing evolutionary biology into the mix when they dont fully understand what their taking about.

Exactly! Anyone who uses the term Darwinism or uses Darwins name to imply he's some sort of atheists deity should shut their trap about evolution. Evolutionary biology is far beyond Darwin, I've studied evolution at a undergraduate level and I still don't know enough to make sweeping statements.

On a side note, Oggy these are a brilliant pair of articles if you genuinely think that we evolved on a plant based diet. Bear in mind these are based on SCIENCE, not hippy-mumbo jumbo science used to justify a bunch of peoples moral choices.

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/peta ... ns-part-i/
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low- ... s-part-ii/

Alex wrote:Man, you guys know nothing. We're not a result of evolution we're a genetically modified species put on the earth around 20,000 years ago by Extra Terrestrial lifeforms, hence why there is still the missing link in our supposid evolutionary path around 20,000 years ago.

Just ask the hallucinogenic taking Navajo Indians of North America - they'll tell you everything

Your not a Scientologist are you? Lol joking but that's what their rigion is based on.

RoB wrote:
Exactly! Anyone who uses the term Darwinism or uses Darwins name to imply he's some sort of atheists deity should shut their trap about evolution. Evolutionary biology is far beyond Darwin, I've studied evolution at a undergraduate level and I still don't know enough to make sweeping statements.

On a side note, Oggy these are a brilliant pair of articles if you genuinely think that we evolved on a plant based diet. Bear in mind these are based on SCIENCE, not hippy-mumbo jumbo science used to justify a bunch of peoples moral choices.

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/peta ... ns-part-i/
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low- ... s-part-ii/

I would not believe a word Dr Eades says. he is a charlatan and fake. There is a post in his blog when him and his wife were in Italy. They are pictured eating a high piece of apple pie. Apparently it was OK because they ate it the 'low carb way'

cleaver wrote:

RoB wrote:
Exactly! Anyone who uses the term Darwinism or uses Darwins name to imply he's some sort of atheists deity should shut their trap about evolution. Evolutionary biology is far beyond Darwin, I've studied evolution at a undergraduate level and I still don't know enough to make sweeping statements.

On a side note, Oggy these are a brilliant pair of articles if you genuinely think that we evolved on a plant based diet. Bear in mind these are based on SCIENCE, not hippy-mumbo jumbo science used to justify a bunch of peoples moral choices.

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/peta ... ns-part-i/
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low- ... s-part-ii/

I would not believe a word Dr Eades says. he is a charlatan and fake. There is a post in his blog when him and his wife were in Italy. They are pictured eating a high piece of apple pie. Apparently it was OK because they ate it the 'low carb way'

Yeah he is clearly a hypocrite when it comes to the whole low carb lifestyle, he also looks pretty fat to me. But those articles are still brilliant in my view.

I dislike Eades too - is one of those dangerous people who know a fair bit of stuff but are highly selective on their emphasis... the agenda is never open minded discussion but about supporting an argument that science hasn't at all proven.

Will look through the articles properly later as it's an area which fascinates me... and am sure there's some good info in there (you normally only post good stuff RoB )... but in the case of folks like Eades i would never take anything said as gospel and only use what he presents as a basis for further research.

Will also look up Dr. Mike Stroud on Rillas suggestion too

Dtlv74 wrote:Will also look up Dr. Mike Stroud on Rillas suggestion too

Mike Stroud is a hero of mines as is Ranulph Fiennes - you'll be impressed.

Cannot recommend "Survival of the fittest" by Stroud enough. As Sir says, Ran Fiennes has redefined the term badass so many times it's silly.

Thanks for the recommedations... defintely gonna have a look.

Ranulph Fiennes is truely awesome...an explorer and a gentleman! Didn't he amputate the tops of a few of his own frostbitten fingers with a Black and Dekker saw because he couldn't wait for the recovery time? That's hardcore!

I guess everyones different, some might thrive on an Atkins type diet while others might thrive being 100% vegan but I think variation is best, the Japanese are the healthiest and they have a hugely varied diet. Japanese women live the longest drinking green tea with brown sugar lots of fish and freash sea air.

I just think humans is the west eat far too much meat and is part of the reason of a lot of our health problems. Gymbunny posted a good artical about how America got fat, interesting read.

Oggy wrote:I just think humans is the west eat far too much meat and is part of the reason of a lot of our health problems. Gymbunny posted a good artical about how America got fat, interesting read.

I agree to some extent. Consumption has lead to questionable intensive farming. I reckon if all meat was truly free range (eg having a cow grazing in your garden for its whole life) you could eat a fair amount with no issues.

Oggy wrote:I guess everyones different, some might thrive on an Atkins type diet while others might thrive being 100% vegan but I think variation is best, the Japanese are the healthiest and they have a hugely varied diet. Japanese women live the longest drinking green tea with brown sugar lots of fish and freash sea air.

I just think humans is the west eat far too much meat and is part of the reason of a lot of our health problems. Gymbunny posted a good artical about how America got fat, interesting read.

Agree Oggy - the Okinawan Japanese are regarded as the healthiest population on the planet in terms of low incidents of cancer, cognitive degeneration, metabolic disease (diabetes etc), obesity and heart disease... and also are the longest living where records are acurate (is claimed some of the south american tribes like the vilcabambas out live even the okinawans but they don't keep birth records and many get so old they forget their age!).

... and what do these populations do? They never overeat, they get lots of (steady state cardio) exercise, they meditate (never underestimate the cortisol suppression of meditation), they avoid processed food completely. Protein consumption is normally low or moderate but EAA rich, and similarly fat consumption is normally low but very well balanced between omega 3/6/9. The diet of these folks could also be said to be very alkaline. Environmentally too they live in areas that are pretty unpolluted and they don't use much plastic (or none at all).