As most of you are aware from my incessant complaining of late I am suffering from acute stress from work, a delightful combination of overly sensitive lab equipment and irritating collaborators which means I am working too much.

Can someone suggest something, I hesitate to say anything, that can help me deal with it and lower my cortisol levels (which is making its presence felt on my stomach) and general desire to hit someone?

Cheers guys.

Oh and this is actually as serious a question so can we have at least 3 serious answers before the thread descends into the gutter.

Pullups and/or nookie works for me.

1.confront you're agitations(tell these guys you're peeved) don't bottle it up.
2.don't stress over training and opt for maintenance over progress until your situation improves
3.supplements are not the cure a strogn mind is - get over it life's shit!

4. Have a w@nk

Magnesium

As much as you can handle to the point of getting a dose of the Tom Kites. I take it morning and at night. If really stressed I also take it before lunch.

The usual adaptgens - RR, Ginseng, Holy Basil, Ashwaghanda.

Phosphatidylserine too.

cleaver wrote:Magnesium

As much as you can handle to the point of getting a dose of the Tom Kites. I take it morning and at night. If really stressed I also take it before lunch.

The usual adaptgens - RR, Ginseng, Holy Basil, Ashwaghanda.

Phosphatidylserine too.

Is it wise to prescribe stuff without having a diagnosis of actual clinical dpression? I know we're not talking uppers n downers here but building a psychological dependancy upon anything is bad form - and what a waste of money.

Not wanting to poo poo advice at all but it just gives me images of hysterical loony hippies all this herbal garb and I'd rather be screaming a some dipsh!t that irritates me than sat on the bog...

Masking the symptons is just the worst case scenario for me. So many peoples walk into a doctors surgery and bam! rest of their lives on some repeat prescription of something that ultimately cures nothing.

I don't know who took the jam out of your dohnut upshite.

I have not prescribed anything. I have described my methodology for controlling stress. GB can take it or leave it. I dont mind.

cleaver wrote:I don't know who took the jam out of your dohnut upshite.

I have not prescribed anything. I have described my methodology for controlling stress. GB can take it or leave it. I dont mind.

Shit wording - agreed you didn't prescribe anyhing - sorry for coming off as a cock - but I stand by my point, supplementation/prescription should come after bollocking these cocks that let a girl carry them(no disrespect to any bra burners out there) and after looking at what other changes can be made. Stress cannot always be avoided, so must be dealt wih systematically.

Please don't call me names it makes me sad

Fish Oils: proven to help increase serotonin levels thus helps those with depression.
Magnesium: lowers cortisol
Being alkaline, with lime in water & Greens (which you have GB)
Glycine: 5g with meals afternoon onwards. <=20g PWO

cleaver made some suggestions about some herbs; some combinations are very good. Check your PMs

Blasted herb pushers and dealers!!!

Stress... can relate GB. Have a lot going on myself at the moment and the cortisol is surging... 3-5 hours sleep per day for the last few weeks hasn't helped either.

Vit C, fish oils, phosphatidyl serine are what I'm ramming down... rhodiola rosea would probably help too from what I've read.

Got any holiday due GB?

GB if you haven't already tried it then I have to say I find Rhodiola Rosea to be an absolute god send in times of stress.

I'm not sure about the stress side of things, but you say cortisol is a side effect.
For this reason I would say try 2-3g of Vitamin C each day, spread throughout the day. As far as I know it blunts cortisol.

Rilla wrote:Pullups and/or nookie works for me.

Lolll! I wish I had a couple of hours spare a day so I could factor this in.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys.

@Cleaver I'll look up your suggestions, thanks!

@upright, training is pretty much all thats keeping me on an even keel. I am not depressed just very angry and I don't want or intend to ever take anti-ds again.

@Health I taking the first 3 suggestions in your list. I will do research on all the others before buying.

What is stressing me is office politics meant the guys I am working with at the moment couldn't tell me something about my project which I worked out in August. If they could have told me in November at the start of my project I would not now be about 6months behind, because I would have known about these additional experiments and could have begun them back then. As it is I'm trying to keep too many things on the go at once and it's inefficient and irritates me.
As Germany is very precise about these kind of things i still have to finish within 3 years and frankly I don't know if I can.
I have a meeting arranged to discuss everything, but having been dealing with inefficient German beaurocracy for a year now I don't have high hopes.

/rant over

GB I'm always angry.

I've just learnt to accept it.

Bison wrote:GB if you haven't already tried it then I have to say I find Rhodiola Rosea to be an absolute god send in times of stress.

Agreed.

GymBunny wrote:What is stressing me is office politics meant the guys I am working with at the moment couldn't tell me something about my project which I worked out in August. If they could have told me in November at the start of my project I would not now be about 6months behind, because I would have known about these additional experiments and could have begun them back then. As it is I'm trying to keep too many things on the go at once and it's inefficient and irritates me.
As Germany is very precise about these kind of things i still have to finish within 3 years and frankly I don't know if I can.
I have a meeting arranged to discuss everything, but having been dealing with inefficient German beaurocracy for a year now I don't have high hopes.

/rant over

GB

I find draft a real shitty memo telling everyone what I think of them and what lowlife twonks they are helps. It focuses your mind on the situtaion and brings an element of humor to the fore. Don't send memo btw!

People are idiots, but most obn't mean to be so the meeting is a very good idea

Write down the the things you can control in this situation and your reaction is one of them, no one controls your emotions and responses apart from you. Concentrate on the aspect of the job you can do and fire off memos on the points that you need other to assist on. Have a paper trail (cover your arse) then review in a month.

Also, for a lot of my girlfriends I have given them a vibrator moulded from my willy - do you want one - it'll certainly destress you, although you won't be able to do too much sitting down for a week or two.

5-HTP?

as mentioned above rholdiea is the one .

nothing to do with stress prophylaxis per se, but i found HMB to be beneficial during stressful periods

phosphatidyl serine was far too expensive back then, but good price for it on nutraplanet these days, when i am back on my feet, i know i will be trialling endoamp by primordial performance.

reset adis also worth looking at and is cheap as chips, usplabs are doing a lot of premarketing hype with their new - nootropic/adrenal/stress product

Wardie wrote:5-HTP?

Definitely good for mood elevation in some but can also lead to headaches when taken supplementally in doses that are too high (serotonin rises too quickly and then re-uptake goes into overdrive causing too quick a drop and a headache). Dose low and frequently rather than large and infrequent if trying this.

Dtlv74 wrote:

Wardie wrote:5-HTP?

Definitely good for mood elevation in some but can also lead to headaches when taken supplementally in doses that are too high (serotonin rises too quickly and then re-uptake goes into overdrive causing too quick a drop and a headache). Dose low and frequently rather than large and infrequent if trying this.

This is interesting... I wonder if this is the reason I got a funny headache a few weeks ago right at the back of my head, lasted over a week!

Was using 5-HTP before bed, only 1 cap though... so not too much.

5-HTP is often used as the active ingredient in natural highs (instead of E). There are plenty of people who will confirm a come down(although not as damatic) and a Euphoria. Not sure of the dosing in these, but I would assume we're talking way over what is useful for supplementation.

Bison wrote:

Dtlv74 wrote:

Wardie wrote:5-HTP?

Definitely good for mood elevation in some but can also lead to headaches when taken supplementally in doses that are too high (serotonin rises too quickly and then re-uptake goes into overdrive causing too quick a drop and a headache). Dose low and frequently rather than large and infrequent if trying this.

This is interesting... I wonder if this is the reason I got a funny headache a few weeks ago right at the back of my head, lasted over a week!

Was using 5-HTP before bed, only 1 cap though... so not too much.

That sounds about right... the headache is often at the back/sides of the head or can sometimes feel like a tight 'band' wrapped around the head.

upright wrote:5-HTP is often used as the active ingredient in natural highs (instead of E). There are plenty of people who will confirm a come down(although not as damatic) and a Euphoria. Not sure of the dosing in these, but I would assume we're talking way over what is useful for supplementation.

I think you are probably right... in taking enough of a dose which contributes to a noticeable high, the quantity in one go is almost certainly higher than a theraputic dose... as a recreational buzz though am sure it'd be safe enough.

upright wrote:5-HTP is often used as the active ingredient in natural highs (instead of E). There are plenty of people who will confirm a come down(although not as damatic) and a Euphoria. Not sure of the dosing in these, but I would assume we're talking way over what is useful for supplementation.

Dtlv74 wrote:I think you are probably right... in taking enough of a dose which contributes to a noticeable high, the quantity in one go is almost certainly higher than a theraputic dose... as a recreational buzz though am sure it'd be safe enough.

Actually, I wasn't quite right there, seems 5-HTP is used more as a post E recovery aid, but is included in some products marketed as "get you off yer tits"