tis a very interesting topic for sure- i think one of the most accessed articles ever was a dude from avant called twin peak- he wrote a really comprehensive guide to carb cycling.

i agree with what you say in the main rabbi, but competitive folk are in the minority, and most people are weekend bodybuilders (for want of a better term), and i think again this is where it all goes tits up for most- they try to emulate the competition diet BUT only the cheat aspect of it, and you know yourself how finely tuned it all is between looking dry and looking a watery mess- could simply be 100g CHO?

Friday 9 July 2010

Today is a write off, I was at a camp yesterday and been up solid now for 2 1/2 days, so eaten hardly anything apart fro some eggs on toast and hula hoops! Too hot, feel shit

Rab wrote:

Dtlv74 wrote:

Rab wrote:Det i think the gradual reintroduction in theory may be right, but in practice it isnt true from what ive found..ie...being on 80g carbs for several weeks then going onto 500g a day maybe...

If depleted you just seem to fill up, get insane pumps and look awesome. Rather than getting fat being an issue in the first 2-3 weeks once stopping low carbs..its more 2-3 weeks after you come off it that the fat starts to go on

This is presuming you have been low carb for a while and are pretty depleted. It takes quite a while for your body to fill back up and it seems to super compensate to bursting point...sits there for a while....then starts to get fat

Well the fat gain rebound is more an issue for people with naturally poor carb tolerance, poor insulin management and who have been fat before with higher numbers of empty fat cells waiting to soak the sudden extra calories up. Insulin and carb management is as much genetic as it is about what you eat and how much, so plenty of individual differences involved.

Mneh....not really from what ive seen of guys. Most folk are fine post low carb depleted diet going onto plenty carbs for a while beofre any fat issues. Maybe for the small eprcentage of super endo's perhaps?

Low carb, depleted...then onto high carbs = awesomness mate, not getting fat. Not straight away anyway.

He is probably talking about what happens to those on the endo side of things that do this without AAS, with AAS the rebound = awsomeness, without = I don't know without is for girls.

Yeah am talking more about fatties who don't train super seriously or at all. No ideas how AAS influence things, but I'd bet if there is a difference it would be favourable.

Like you Rab I'm fine with the carbs and seem to be in all situations... but many do seem to have issues.

Saturday 10 July 2010

Breakfast - 1 slice of toast

12.30 - 1 slice of fruit cake

3.00 2 scoops of BSD Milk protein

6.00 Chicken breast and overn chips with salad

6.30 Eton Mess with summer fruits

[quote="simon m"]Saturday 10 July 2010

Breakfast - 1 slice of toast

12.30 - 1 slice of fruit cake

3.00 2 scoops of BSD Milk protein

6.00 Chicken breast and overn chips with salad

6.30 Eton Mess with summer fruits

Late Evening - half a large, 2 small glasses of wine and some hula hoops!

Sunday 11 July 2010

9.40 - 2 Scoops of BSD Milk Protein

11.20 - 2 slices of toast

2.20 pm - BBQ - Huge Sirloin Steak, Salad and New Potatoes

Whats the exact point of this food log, if its to keep you on the straight and narrow then its a fail. Is it an attempt to wind people up, it looks very similar to a non training womans diet plus the protein shakes.

Craig wrote:Whats the exact point of this food log, if its to keep you on the straight and narrow then its a fail. Is it an attempt to wind people up, it looks very similar to a non training womans diet plus the protein shakes.

It's exactly what I've eaten. The trouble is when it's hot, I just can't be bothered to eat. It's been over 30c for over a week where I am and I've been working very hard at work and at home.

I will redouble my efforts. However, I'm still amazingly big and strong for an old cripple

Edit: I do needs some help, so any advice would be gratefully received, although please bear in mind I work very long hours and don't get much time to mysefl during the day or when I get back.

I was thinking about having many more shakes. dropping bread, adding in porridge

Monday 12 July 2010

Breakfast at work: 2 scope BSD Milk Protein & Granola 50g - Good Carb Company

Lunch: chicken breast, couscous, quinoa, red pepper, salad onions etc

3.00 pm - CNP protein bar

6.45pm - Chicken Fajitas

Yes getting protein with each meal sounds good, even if its in shake form.

If you did this and watched the dodgy carbs late at night you'd be looking good.

I'm not here doubting your training ability, you train hard, heavy and smart.

Craig wrote:Yes getting protein with each meal sounds good, even if its in shake form.

If you did this and watched the dodgy carbs late at night you'd be looking good.

I'm not here doubting your training ability, you train hard, heavy and smart.

Cheers mate, I don't eat carbs late at night, or very rarely. I tend to have hard cheese before bed, but of late, eating anything has been difficult, as It's been way too hot.

I'm pleased that I'm having chicken and salad for lunch most days, as lunch is difficult.

What I am buying is a George Foreman Grill as I love grilled fish ect., and could do that outside for dineer as Mrs M hates the smell and I can then eat on the veranda!

sounds like a plan

Yeah fish does tend to smell the house out - Had some salmon the other night and we can still catch a whiff of it - Maybe I should BBQ it next time lol

Tuesday 13 July 2010

Breakfast at work: 2 scope BSD Milk Protein & Granola 50g - Good Carb Company

11.00 satsuma

1.30pm chicken, couscous etc

3.00 protein bar

6.30 chicken breast, potatoes, carrots, brocolli and peas

8.30 pm - sausage from Sunday's BBQ!

Wednesday 14 July 2010

Breakfast at work: 2 scope BSD Milk Protein & Granola 50g - Good Carb Company

9.00 satsuma

10.00 half a tuna sandwich on granary

12.30 rest of tuna sanwiches - equates to tin of tuna and some bread and salad stuff

Rab wrote:

simon m wrote:Tuesday 13 July 2010

Breakfast at work: 2 scope BSD Milk Protein & Granola 50g - Good Carb Company

11.00 satsuma

1.30pm chicken, couscous etc

3.00 protein bar

6.30 chicken breast, potatoes, carrots, brocolli and peas

8.30 pm - sausage from Sunday's BBQ!

Better looking but your protein is still ghay and too low. Your going from 6.30pm at night to say 7,30am at work without any protein and in total i make your day yesterday about 200g, which is also ghay

I know mate. I'm thinking of having a pre bed shake with olive oil to slow down digestion, but how with this play with pre bed GHRP2?

Rab wrote:not sure mate bout the pep stuff. even if you have half before bed then the other half when you get up for a piss...i imagine a man of your years gets up to piss alot

If I remember, otherwsie the rubebr sheets and nappy helps...

Just wait until October mate, after the comp, I'm gonna slap you around

The lower protein isn't a killer at 200g but I'd stay off shakes if you're looking to get lean and obtain from whole foods instead. Liquid calories found in protein shakes are easy calories as the body doesn't have to work hard to digest and absorb the nutrients compared to whole food sources. Soon after waking and workout period is the exception and a slow release source pre bed is acceptable.

I know time is the biggest issue for yourself so shakes are an obvious choice for convenience so I won't knock that but I'd look to try and get into the habit of cooking up food for the day during the evening before. I usually cook on my BBQ and just do food for the next day along with what I'm cooking up for that evening to save time and gas so ther's maybe 4 breasts cooking, 3 of which I'll eat through the day and one for the evening or maybe some steak instead.

Rice just goes in a rice cooking for the Microwave for 20 mins and then cook up some frozen green veg after that. This take up maybe 30 mins of my evening and even then I can be doing other stuff as I wait.

Rab wrote:Theres always time you just ahve to make it

Agreed, but you have much less with kids