I started a course of anavar @ 60mg ED and a 2 week kick start of dbol @ 30mg ED and the rage from the dbol is like nothing I've had before.

I'm only 1 week into the course and so far I've put my hand through a glass table requiring 4 stitches (which sucks ass because I've not been able to train my right arm), been locked up in the cells for 1 night because I thought I lost my phone at the hospital which I actually put through the glass table, I've been in a rage while driving (not safe at all) fell out with my girlfriend this morning because she was shouting at me when I just woke up and she got whacked in the leg . There's more but I wont go on!

Thing is, I don't seem to have this rage in the gym its just coming out in my daily activities. I only have 1 week left of the dbol but I'm not sure if its worth all this.

I've been dosing 10mg 3 times a day, I'm wondering if I'd be better to just take all 30mg in one dose maybe pre workout and before bed on non workout days, or lower the dose and up the var? I'm quite a hot headed person anyway, but never been locked up or put my hand through glass in about 4 years!

I'm waiting on health to fix me up with a good anti stress diet.

Come off the D-bol! You're obviously prone to being aggressively unstable naturally, and the roids are just bringing it out of you. No diet will make a difference, it's not worth sabotaging your personal life just for extra couple of lbs of muscle.

I ran epistane a few good months ago and although the gains weren't that impressive (no more impresive than creatine and NO2, maybe less) the mood/sex drive was amazing .

Yeah I'll up the var to 80mg after 1 more week and just cut the dbol out. Wasn't going to run dbol but ended up with 1 extra tub that were for my mates and a member on here said to use 30mg dbol for 2 weeks as a kick start.

I had no rage on epistane, just a HUGE never ending sex drive and very positive mind set. The var probably wont give me the sex drive but shouldn't give me any rage, should it?

You sound like a cock - drop the roids or you might end up biting off more than you can chew...

simon m wrote:You sound like a **** - drop the roids or you might end up biting off more than you can chew...

Ahhh it was you that recommended the dbol lol. Whats a **** anyway? So you think I need to drop the var too? I've never had this kind of rage of any roid and I've ran test for 8 weeks @ 500mg PW.

Oggy wrote:

simon m wrote:You sound like a **** - drop the roids or you might end up biting off more than you can chew...

Ahhh it was you that recommended the dbol lol. Whats a **** anyway? So you think I need to drop the var too? I've never had this kind of rage of any roid and I've ran test for 8 weeks @ 500mg PW.

Damn swearword thingy stopped me being rude! C O C K btw!

The D'bol is probably to blame, but it only extenuates your natural aggression so you need to chill out in general.

Yeah so the dbol must be bringing out the complete opposite person from what the epistane brought out in me, I was so chilled but had never ending sexual energy.

Yeah, drop the gear mate. Or lower for sure. Are you taking other meds? Cos maybe it's reacting with it??

You said in previous posts that you've had head issues in the past. I'm certainly no expert at all (in fact I know next to nothing about AAS), but I'd say that perhaps using AAS is just not a good idea for you.

Your safety (and others) is more important that the potential benefits that AAS can offer... surely?

I was under the impression that roid rage is in reality PCT rage.

Therefore if you are having issues it is a deeper problem, so get off the gear ASAP.

In essence if your a D ick you'll be an even bigger one on androgenic compounds (D-bol being one of them). Var will totaly shut down your sex drive btw.

Best thing to do is come off the d-bol, appoliges to the GF, buy a new table and have a little think about whats making Oggy so angry.

Dbol makes me very placid. I'm on tren atm ffs and totally calm. If gear has those kind of effects for you don't do it.

I recon it's just my fight or flight responce to the dbol. Some people get very anxious on dbol while I've been fighting. I'm more chilled out now and will make up with the girlfriend tonight . My sex driv is still going very strong. I've only had 10mg this morning so the dbol will be tappering out my system, will up var to 80mg tomorrow for the rest of the course, should give me another 8 weeks. Will see how it goes, I've got before pics so will post my results up in 2 months time.

How does the roid rage mechanism work? Is it just a result of higher free test levels or do changes in other hormones (am thinking the adrenal hormones) play a part too?

Dtlv74 wrote:How does the roid rage mechanism work? Is it just a result of higher free test levels or do changes in other hormones (am thinking the adrenal hormones) play a part too?

Adrenal hormones IMO are the couse of roid rage. It's the fight or fright responce as some people (one of my friends in fact) get real bad anxiety from dbol. Your adrenal glands is the reason for the aggression when taking roids not the extra testosterone but your hormones are all part of one system so taking hormones that effect your testosterone will effect your arenals cousing the fight or fright responce. Though dbol is not testosterone, I think taking testosterone injections would have a more positive effect on your mind set as it is our natrual male hormone.

So yes I think it was my adrenalin that coused the rage and not excess testestorone.

Craig wrote:Var will totaly shut down your sex drive btw.

When will this happen? I feel as horny as hell, coming off the dbol has improved my sex drive lol, almost like I was on the epi.

Oggy wrote:

Dtlv74 wrote:How does the roid rage mechanism work? Is it just a result of higher free test levels or do changes in other hormones (am thinking the adrenal hormones) play a part too?

Adrenal hormones IMO are the couse of roid rage. It's the fight or fright responce as some people (one of my friends in fact) get real bad anxiety from dbol. Your adrenal glands is the reason for the aggression when taking roids not the extra testosterone but your hormones are all part of one system so taking hormones that effect your testosterone will effect your arenals cousing the fight or fright responce. Though dbol is not testosterone, I think taking testosterone injections would have a more positive effect on your mind set as it is our natrual male hormone.

So yes I think it was my adrenalin that coused the rage and not excess testestorone.

If this where the case then all steroids would give you roid rage, however only the heavy androgenic steroids give increased temper.

Oggy wrote:

Craig wrote:Var will totaly shut down your sex drive btw.

When will this happen? I feel as horny as hell, coming off the dbol has improved my sex drive lol, almost like I was on the epi.

Depends when your natural test shuts off, everyones different, hell I've even heard people saying deca increases their sex drive but for sure they are exceptions to the rule.

Craig wrote:If this where the case then all steroids would give you roid rage, however only the heavy androgenic steroids give increased temper.

Maybe it's only the heavy androgenic steroids that effect the adrenals. Dopamine is produced in the adrenals and dopamine is part resposable for your intrerest in sex and also your fight or fright responce.

I reckon its the estrogen and not the testosterone. Women with heavy PMS 'CAN' be ridiculous emotional/aggressive, and taking a boat load of steroids usually means you'll be getting megadoses of estro unless you're using an AI. Therefore by my infallible logic - Estrogen regulates menstruation ----> menstruation can cause PMS ----> Some women go APE SHIT MENTAL during PMS ----> women are people ----> Therefore Estrogen causes some people to go APE SHIT MENTAL.

LMAO ^

RoB wrote:I reckon its the estrogen and not the testosterone. Women with heavy PMS 'CAN' be ridiculous emotional/aggressive, and taking a boat load of steroids usually means you'll be getting megadoses of estro unless you're using an AI. Therefore by my infallible logic - Estrogen regulates menstruation ----> menstruation can cause PMS ----> Some women go APE SHIT MENTAL during PMS ----> women are people ----> Therefore Estrogen causes some people to go APE SHIT MENTAL.

lmao........... tren proves this not to be true though.

dopamine is produced in several area's of the brain and I beleive they will also find production in the gut in the future, not sure what is has to do with the adrenals Oggy. Prolactin is however regulated by dopamine and often causes the symptoms most people blame on estrogen in relation to mood.

wierd how gear doesnt effect certain people at all.....in term of psychological effects........

kp1512 wrote:wierd how gear doesnt effect certain people at all.....in term of psychological effects........

I think that for a lot of people, roid rage etx., are pre programmed responses, Oggy's only had pro hormones and is fine on them ans suddenly on full fat gear he gets the rage. It's a Pyschosomatic reaction to an increased level of test.

The more controlled you are the less likely you will have a problem.

Personally, I get more edgy on coffee than anything else.

I've had test injections and tren with no problems at all. So i've not just played about with PH's mate.

Oggy wrote:I've had test injections and tren with no problems at all. So i've not just played about with PH's mate.

So why go on orals?

This just sounds really weird then, perhaps you've got a lot of stress in your life?