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Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby kp1512 on Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:41 pm

Good read tbh once you get past any of the promotional stuff

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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby simon m on Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:49 pm

This stuff still leaves me cold and answers like this are bollocks!

Making your body too alkaline would be a bit like experiencing too much joy …… It’s unlikely to happen! We are always producing metabolic acids that need to be counter-acted. That said drinking neat chlorine would be ill advised. There are certain dilutions that are required to place alkaline substances in touch with our skin (inside or out)!
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby RoB on Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:07 pm

My question is all about teeth and alkalising. I expect it could relate to quite a few people out there who have previously been addicted to sugar, but are now alkalising.

I have been seriously alkalising for nearly 18 months. I’ve not touched sugar, meat or any of the bad guys during that time and have eaten an 80/20 alkaline / acid balance diet - mostly raw but with 20% healthy grains. I’ve also done several week-long cleanses. My teeth have been aching since I started this. I had 2 extracted some months ago (my choice, as I didn’t want to have more root-fillings - I already have two but now disagree with them).

Four months ago, in order to try and stop the aches, I went onto a 100% raw
diet. I also take 5 scoops greens per litre x 4 daily and I have an ionizer. However, the aches are still there on a daily basis coming from the root fillings (there is a shadow underneath on x-ray).

So, are you going to tell me that I must have the root fillings taken out? (That would mean I will have had 4 teeth extracted and I’m only early forties). The problem is that there is no really satisfactory way to fill the gaps - implants and bridges aren’t ideal for a number of reasons and to wear a denture at this age fills me with horror … I’m clinging onto the belief that I can somehow alkalise enough to keep the 2 root-filled teeth in situ, alkaline and without pain. I’m going by Dr. Young’s theory that matter changes according to the terrain, therefore any bacteria there should be able to change back to healthy cells. Last summer I had a healing crisis where a fever came on and I could really feel my teeth and loads of catarrh came out. There was real improvement afterwards, but it’s come back since I lost a crown and the dentist had to go down the roots of one of the root-filled teeth again - it’s brought it back.

I have recently heard about Beck’s magnetic pulser - do you know if this
could help? I feel I need to bring on another healing crisis but don’t know
how to. I couldn’t tolerate doing a cleanse for more than a week, it makes
me feel too weak.

I would be really grateful for your take on this - it’s been going on some
time and I need to resolve it.

It sounds like you’re on the right track and that you have a healthy mind set around these issues, but I can understand that it must be frustrating.

While I am not a dentist, I agree that keeping your teeth in your mouth, has a lot going for it! People do have root fillings and not experience subsequent pain, so working to get your blood “clean” and your general health “strong” has to make sense from every angle.

The more that I do this work, the more that I realise that in certain people’s cases, shifting underlying acidity can be challenging and …. take time. It’s difficult to know exactly where you may need to go to step up your regime, but the fact that you feel very weak after a week’s cleanse may suggest that you still have underlying imbalances.

I understand the theory behind increasing your greens to four scoops per litre, but it’s not a path I’ve ever pursued myself or recommended to clients. At this level, you are taking the drink into “food” territory. It’s going to become more like eating. I’d recommend reducing the concentration, while still maintaining a high intake of fresh green plant foods, smoothys and juices. That may help to “wash out” stored acids.

pHour salts can provide some degree of pain relief so you may want to use that. Salt mouth washes and gargles may help too.

Blood analysis with an experienced practitioner should help you to see if you have succeeded in making your blood healthy and whether there are still acids stored in your body. Acupuncture can also help with pain relief and re-balancing your body’s metabolism.


What a load of horse shite, the man starts an 'alkaline' approach to dieting and his teeth start hurting. The advice he gets is to go even more alkaline because he might have some 'underlying' acidity.

Personally I've increased my veg intake and have been persuaded that a net alkaline load is probably a good thing, but this is just crazy. These people are fanatics, completely blinkered to the real world, quackery of the highest order.
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby kp1512 on Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:19 pm

the key is to take the good stuff which as you say makes sense. Since having greens and some salts I do feel better but thats as far as I go....i also dont tend to eat meats in the evening anymore due to the time it takes for digestion........but there some good things on the links on that page
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby GymBunny on Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:23 pm

RoB wrote:
My question is all about teeth and alkalising. I expect it could relate to quite a few people out there who have previously been addicted to sugar, but are now alkalising.

I have been seriously alkalising for nearly 18 months. I’ve not touched sugar, meat or any of the bad guys during that time and have eaten an 80/20 alkaline / acid balance diet - mostly raw but with 20% healthy grains. I’ve also done several week-long cleanses. My teeth have been aching since I started this. I had 2 extracted some months ago (my choice, as I didn’t want to have more root-fillings - I already have two but now disagree with them).

Four months ago, in order to try and stop the aches, I went onto a 100% raw
diet. I also take 5 scoops greens per litre x 4 daily and I have an ionizer. However, the aches are still there on a daily basis coming from the root fillings (there is a shadow underneath on x-ray).

So, are you going to tell me that I must have the root fillings taken out? (That would mean I will have had 4 teeth extracted and I’m only early forties). The problem is that there is no really satisfactory way to fill the gaps - implants and bridges aren’t ideal for a number of reasons and to wear a denture at this age fills me with horror … I’m clinging onto the belief that I can somehow alkalise enough to keep the 2 root-filled teeth in situ, alkaline and without pain. I’m going by Dr. Young’s theory that matter changes according to the terrain, therefore any bacteria there should be able to change back to healthy cells. Last summer I had a healing crisis where a fever came on and I could really feel my teeth and loads of catarrh came out. There was real improvement afterwards, but it’s come back since I lost a crown and the dentist had to go down the roots of one of the root-filled teeth again - it’s brought it back.

I have recently heard about Beck’s magnetic pulser - do you know if this
could help? I feel I need to bring on another healing crisis but don’t know
how to. I couldn’t tolerate doing a cleanse for more than a week, it makes
me feel too weak.

I would be really grateful for your take on this - it’s been going on some
time and I need to resolve it.

It sounds like you’re on the right track and that you have a healthy mind set around these issues, but I can understand that it must be frustrating.

While I am not a dentist, I agree that keeping your teeth in your mouth, has a lot going for it! People do have root fillings and not experience subsequent pain, so working to get your blood “clean” and your general health “strong” has to make sense from every angle.

The more that I do this work, the more that I realise that in certain people’s cases, shifting underlying acidity can be challenging and …. take time. It’s difficult to know exactly where you may need to go to step up your regime, but the fact that you feel very weak after a week’s cleanse may suggest that you still have underlying imbalances.

I understand the theory behind increasing your greens to four scoops per litre, but it’s not a path I’ve ever pursued myself or recommended to clients. At this level, you are taking the drink into “food” territory. It’s going to become more like eating. I’d recommend reducing the concentration, while still maintaining a high intake of fresh green plant foods, smoothys and juices. That may help to “wash out” stored acids.

pHour salts can provide some degree of pain relief so you may want to use that. Salt mouth washes and gargles may help too.

Blood analysis with an experienced practitioner should help you to see if you have succeeded in making your blood healthy and whether there are still acids stored in your body. Acupuncture can also help with pain relief and re-balancing your body’s metabolism.


What a load of horse shite, the man starts an 'alkaline' approach to dieting and his teeth start hurting. The advice he gets is to go even more alkaline because he might have some 'underlying' acidity.

Personally I've increased my veg intake and have been persuaded that a net alkaline load is probably a good thing, but this is just crazy. These people are fanatics, completely blinkered to the real world, quackery of the highest order.

Precisely my thoughts. What a lot of bollocks.
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby Rab on Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:36 pm

My question is.....Is there a common "look" about extremists and fruit cakes? You can just tell by looking at someone there not right i nthe head cant you?

See the geeky looking dude at the top of the page thats answering the questions...he looks like the kinda guy that you might find on a street corner preaching about how everyone is goign to hell and gays are an abomonation...or if he was Arab...recording a martyrdom video.

Its a bit like Pedo's all having beards and specks...
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby simon m on Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:41 pm

Rab wrote:My question is.....Is there a common "look" about extremists and fruit cakes? You can just tell by looking at someone there not right i nthe head cant you?

See the geeky looking dude at the top of the page thats answering the questions...he looks like the kinda guy that you might find on a street corner preaching about how everyone is goign to hell and gays are an abomonation...or if he was Arab...recording a martyrdom video.

Its a bit like Pedo's all having beards and specks...

Wasn't he the fucker who thougt Scott was huge - LOL!
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby kp1512 on Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:54 pm

well Scott would be huge to the none training person and average joe on the street Simon...so nowt wrong with that
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby cleaver on Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:57 pm

Sounds like NU's polar opposite.

Extreme diets will fcuk you up long term whether some quango deems it healthy or not.

Eat natural wholesome food from a wide variety of sources and you will not go wrong. Pissants like this have created a little cottage industry for themselves with all their alkaline products.

Its a bit like most sports supplements. You can manage fine without them if your diet is healthy and decent.
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby simon m on Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:11 pm

kp1512 wrote:well Scott would be huge to the none training person and average joe on the street Simon...so nowt wrong with that


EDIT: He didn't say huge, he said a big guy, but these people are still into marketing hyperbole which annoys me!

If they said a real good way to get fit and well is to increase green veggie intake and our products help do this, plus some exercise which will help, then I'd support that, but the way they go about it screams snake oil salemen and that actually erodes all the good messages that they could put out there if their marketing wasn't so awful.
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby Resurrected on Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:28 pm

GymBunny wrote:Precisely my thoughts. What a lot of bollocks.


I could not have worded it better. You will start to become the female Ressie at this rate :D
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby Rab on Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:51 pm

Resurrected wrote:
GymBunny wrote:Precisely my thoughts. What a lot of bollocks.


I could not have worded it better. You will start to become the female Ressie at this rate :D


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I always thought you were a old woman
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby Resurrected on Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:57 pm

Rab wrote:
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GymBunny wrote:Precisely my thoughts. What a lot of bollocks.


I could not have worded it better. You will start to become the female Ressie at this rate :D


Your a man?

I always thought you were a old woman


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Postby Rab on Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:00 pm

Ive been known to shag a granny or two so your still at risk im afraid
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Postby Will on Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:18 pm

cleaver wrote:Sounds like NU's polar opposite.

Extreme diets will fcuk you up long term whether some quango deems it healthy or not.

Eat natural wholesome food from a wide variety of sources and you will not go wrong. Pissants like this have created a little cottage industry for themselves with all their alkaline products.

Its a bit like most sports supplements. You can manage fine without them if your diet is healthy and decent.


Agreed with this entirely.
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby Dtlv74 on Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:27 pm

I made a long post on GymBunnys Peer Review Process thread that kind of sums up how I feel about this kind of expert.

For the sake of laziness I shall quote myself -

The mistake I think many 'experts' make when looking at studies that support their own theories is one of assumption - they see a hypothesis supported by an experiment and assume that the results transfer to other conditions... but they never actually test them and just assume how things will be. In other words they present what is in effect a predictive hypothesis that may or may not be true as if it were already established knowledge and already demonstrated... and they can do so often with very seductive logic.

Am not saying there's nothing benefical in such things as H2O2 therapy, Alkalization, Low Carb eating etc etc, many of these things hit on part of a truth, but I think the way these things are presented by their proponents is by this kind of use of the kind of selective assumption. Annecdotal support of a theory is of course meaningful, but is initself not scientific validation. The use of annecdotal support should only be in the construction of a scientific hypothesis to test the theory... and any definitive claims made prior to this stage are in no way scientific, not even if presented by someone considered an expert with a million phds or fifty years of success in a particular field.


I don't see a lot of actual science in there, just theory presented as science.

On this specific topic am convinced that so many of the benefits seen on an 'Alkalizing Diet' come from phytonutrients which ARE demonstrated in experiment to exert effect.

How many of these Alkalization experts mention phytonutrients like:

Polyphenol type-A polymer (the bit in cinammon that lowers blood glucose),
Luteolin (a common flavinoid in many fresh veg that also improves insulin sensitivity),
Kaempferol (a flavinoid from tea and cruciforous veg that has positive cardiac effects),
Quercetin (an anti inflammatory flavinol common in fresh veg that also increases mitochondrial density),
Genistein (a benefical phytoestrogen that helps limit rate of osteoporosis),
Lycopene (antioxidant and red plant pigment that may reduce risk of certain cancers)
Lignans (a range of beneficial phytoestrogens with antioxidant and anti inflammatory properties)
Capsaicin (found in hot peppers and a strong regulator of blood glucose and insulin)

etc etc

All these things are eaten in larger quantities on an 'Alkalizing' diet than on other diets, and between them can make significant changes to various systems within the body.

So, how can the proponents of alkalization know that the benefits of such a diet are infact more to do with these and similar phytonutrients rather than alkalization itself?

The two may well be correlated, as a diet high in these has to be fairly alkaline due to the kinds of foods that provide them, but it's important to note that focusing on the wrong aspect of a correlation can be dangerous and lead to people doing silly things and excluding other things that are also beneficial.

By the way that list above is also one in the face for the 'all carb foods are bad' brigade as many of those and similar nutrients found in fruit and veg result in more favourable handling of glucose and insulin and have a strong protective effect on the beta cells of the pancreas. Natural carb foods and processed carb foods are very different in effect due to the presence/removal of these nutrients :P
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Re: Q&A and Good Resource for Alkaline Diets etc

Postby Rab on Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:53 pm

Fantastic post Det. I take back everything i said about you being a dirty Tally c*nt :)

Makes perfect sense though...these kinda foods are undoubtedly going to be beter for you than other choices...but why is this so? because of the "alkalising" effect or because of the million other reasons?

Goes round in circles back to what Simon said -
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Postby Dtlv74 on Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:01 pm

Rab wrote:Fantastic post Det. I take back everything i said about you being a dirty Tally c*nt :)


But that bit is true... have never even disputed it! :D
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