Just wondering about poinions on pre breakfast cardio

1. How productive do you consider it
2. How often would you do it on I) A cut II) A lean bulk
3. How Catabolic do you consider this method?
4. How long at what intensity would you do with what means of cardio?

Im considering gettign a cheapish cross trainer for my spare room and doing a little morning cardio a few times per week. I have tried getting up and going out running but its a pain in the arse gettin up, dressed running, back in showered etc and out for work by 6.30am!!!

Getting up 15 min earlier and going straight onto a xtrainer in my spare room nekkid would be allot more fun and more realistic.

1. How productive do you consider it

Very. I dont beleive the rubbish that people say that its anticatbolic and youll lose muscle! If done right, at the correct intensity and followed with good nutrition it helps overall for cardio, health, and recovery.

2. How often would you do it on I) A cut II) A lean bulk

a} upto 5 days a week
b] upto 3 days a week

3. How Catabolic do you consider this method?

throw doen some amino's or isolate [less then 20g] and I dont see any issue
4. How long at what intensity would you do with what means of cardio?

Treadmill - 4.5mpg at no more than 3degress incline...flat is better.....and for anything from 20mins to 60 mins

thats my take on it anyway



KP

Why flat Kp? i would have thought incline would be better.

arrrgghh the image of rab naked on a cross trainer popped into my head.

WHY!

Jake The Muss wrote:Why flat Kp? i would have thought incline would be better.

Yeh it would.. if shorter period...but I found for me that when I did 60 mins 5x a week I didnt get the shin issues on flat....

Ive always struggled to do cardio pre breakfast, i used to go to the gym at 6.00am, train, shower, go to work and have breakfast there, could lift fine, but cardio made me feel sick for some reason.

My question would be tho, if its advised to have a slow digesting protein like cottage cheese or MPC pre bed to stop unneccesary catabolism, how is it ok to jump out of bed and onto a x-trainer without taking in any food?

The point of morning cardio is to really hit your fat burning zone, anything too intense will lead you into more catabolic territory rather than fat burning (as far as I understand it)

Marks1972 wrote:Ive always struggled to do cardio pre breakfast, i used to go to the gym at 6.00am, train, shower, go to work and have breakfast there, could lift fine, but cardio made me feel sick for some reason.

My question would be tho, if its advised to have a slow digesting protein like cottage cheese or MPC pre bed to stop unneccesary catabolism, how is it ok to jump out of bed and onto a x-trainer without taking in any food?

It goes back to intensity and fuel utilisation....

this had some really good info that i had collected over the period

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=600&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=dont+kill+cardio

Marks1972 wrote:arrrgghh the image of rab naked on a cross trainer popped into my head.

WHY!

The image of your shocked face at the mental image of rab naked on a cross trainer just popped into my head...

Now that I have finally managed to stop laughing, I used to be very into my cycling and would go training first thing in the morning on an empty stomach and I was considerably leaner and stronger as a result.

Maybe something I should start doing again

GymBunny wrote:

Marks1972 wrote:arrrgghh the image of rab naked on a cross trainer popped into my head.

WHY!

The image of your shocked face at the mental image of rab naked on a cross trainer just popped into my head...

Now that I have finally managed to stop laughing, I used to be very into my cycling and would go training first thing in the morning on an empty stomach and I was considerably leaner and stronger as a result.

Maybe something I should start doing again

To help with the mental image Mark & Gymbunny. when on a cross trainer, I get a good hip movement going which in turn causes some interesting movement.

the best bout of fat loss for me was when i was doing morning cardio a couple of times a day!

Rab wrote:

GymBunny wrote:

Marks1972 wrote:arrrgghh the image of rab naked on a cross trainer popped into my head.

WHY!

The image of your shocked face at the mental image of rab naked on a cross trainer just popped into my head...

Now that I have finally managed to stop laughing, I used to be very into my cycling and would go training first thing in the morning on an empty stomach and I was considerably leaner and stronger as a result.

Maybe something I should start doing again

To help with the mental image Mark & Gymbunny. when on a cross trainer, I get a good hip movement going which in turn causes some interesting movement.

Mods - (if there are any on this site, lol) please ban Rab. The thought of a mad scotsman gyrating and thrusting his hips whilst laying naked sprawled over a cross-trainer is surely far to obscene to be allowed...

Det. Be grateful because I had to edit the above post to make it suitalbe for public reading. It was previously allot more descriptive....too descriptive infact

Dtlv74 wrote:
Mods - (if there are any on this site, lol) please ban Rab. The thought of a mad scotsman gyrating and thrusting his hips whilst laying naked sprawled over a cross-trainer is surely far to obscene to be allowed...

I heard there was only one mod on this board and hes old and drunk most of the time

Didnt know KP was much of a drinker!

Rab wrote:Didnt know KP was much of a drinker!

I heard he drinks a gallon of mango lassi'n'whey every day.

Rab wrote:Det. Be grateful because I had to edit the above post to make it suitalbe for public reading. It was previously allot more descriptive....too descriptive infact

*shudders in fear.

Will try not to speculate... ugghhh!

I do buy into the theory that you will lose muscle with fasted cardio. Not based on science though, just my own experience. I'd read the article that Ollie ref'd in his morning training link.

Look any good?

Id say it's bad for leg strength deterioration, that's in my experience and from what i've read (after i experienced it). I got very lean though.

I might get that for when I start cutting in October Rab.

I just want something cheap to do steady state cardio on before breakfast, no chance i'm running outside that time of year

Rab wrote:Pre Breakfast cardio - Catabolic?

I think so.

I'd never do it.

If you want to get under 10% bf (naturally) then get your nutritional intake nailed (cos most people's is not hence they are not "ripped").

It's no surprise that me & Orinoco are so lean cos we both have very strict nutritional intakes. Sure, genetics help, as does training, but what goes in your mouth will be the key to getting "ripped" etc.

That's what I think anyway.

I'd have to agree with Scott on this one.

I think most have the potential to get down to 10%, even 8% with a decent training regime and relatively clean diet but after that things are a lot more finite.

Also the type of training is important.

Many people are strong and move a lot of weight. They also train 4 or 5 times a week say. But if they choose a training style that doesn't destroy them in the gym then how do they expect to kick their body into fat loss mode whilst still getting bigger & stronger?

Getting big isn't that hard really is it? Eat lots & lift heavy. But getting big, strong and staying lean or getting leaner is damn hard. If all you want is to be big & strong then that is easy. If you want to big, strong & lean, then put some work into your sessions. There's plenty of good info and training protocols in the journals section on ESN from people that are strong & lean. Equally there's plenty of training protocols in the journals that imo clearly show they'll be little improvement in leanness.

Whilst it seems I've gone slightly off topic, the idea about pre-breakfast cardio is supposedly to burn fat. But if you train & eat correctly you don't need to.

Craig wrote:

Dtlv74 wrote:
Mods - (if there are any on this site, lol) please ban Rab. The thought of a mad scotsman gyrating and thrusting his hips whilst laying naked sprawled over a cross-trainer is surely far to obscene to be allowed...

I heard there was only one mod on this board and hes old and drunk most of the time

Not very nice thing to say about our Simon