Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

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Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

Postby kp1512 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:24 pm

I recieved Na-RALA not long ago and wanted to do a test on myself on its effeciveness in clearing Blood Glucose so yday and today was the days!

Upon waking I ate, ahem, 250g of Cadburys Wholenut from the fridge

Pre-Whole nut - 6.1 mmol

At 20 mins I took my BG using the Accu-Chek - 9.7mmol

At 40 mins I took my BG using Accu-Check - 7.9mmol

At 60 mins I took my BG using the Accu-Check - 7.2mmol

That was yday

Today I did it again (same time)

Pre-Whole nut - 5.9mmol

Upon waking I ate, ahem, 250g of Cadburys Wholenut from the fridge

Five mins after I took 200mg of Na-RALA

At 20 mins I took my BG using the Accu-Chek - 8.1mmol

At 40 mins I took my BG using Accu-Check - 6.3mmol

At 60 mins I took my BG using the Accu-Check - 6.1mmol

I found this a very interesting!!

Thought Id share this!!

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Re: Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

Postby Bison on Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:00 pm

This is what we need! Troops on the front line of science, willing to put their health on the line... I bow to your dedication KP of putting yourself through the horrors of eating whole bars of chocolate!!! :lol:

Definately seems to work though, BG almost back to normal within 40 mins is pretty impressive.
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Re: Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

Postby kp1512 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:03 pm

Bison wrote:This is what we need! Troops on the front line of science, willing to put their health on the line... I bow to your dedication KP of putting yourself through the horrors of eating whole bars of chocolate!!! :lol:

Definately seems to work though, BG almost back to normal within 40 mins is pretty impressive.


Id agree...simulated insulin use! lol.....but 200mg was a little high...but I just wanted to see what would happen

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Re: Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

Postby simon m on Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:13 pm

So, in plain English, what is the benefit of Na-RALA apart from you getting to eat shit for breakfast?

How could we use thios and when?
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Re: Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

Postby kp1512 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:21 pm

simon m wrote:So, in plain English, what is the benefit of Na-RALA apart from you getting to eat shit for breakfast?

How could we use thios and when?


Lol...well I just did it so I can sneak in more Refrigerated Whole Nut! :D

But aside from that

- higher net glycogen resynthesis
- faster drive down on blood glucose and thus insulin
- excellent anti ox (although from everything thats out there, regular ALA is just as good for this alone)

Na-RALA can actually be used for a cut and also a mass cycle.

Cut - recarb\refeed, some people use a carb cut off when losing fat so eat, for example, up until 4pm in the day and cut off...with this approach you could extend it, or just drive down blood glucose faster

But here is some sphill on the R isomer

Benefits

Supports the Body’s Defense Against Free Radicals*

Recycles Antioxidant Nutrients such as Vitamin C and Vitamin E*

Helps Maintain a Healthy Blood Sugar Level when used as part of the diet*



Lipoic Acid— the "Universal Antioxidant"


Lipoic Acid is often referred to as the “universal antioxidant” for a number of reasons. This substance has a broad range of antioxidant activity that makes it ideally suited as a potent free radical scavenger. An ideal antioxidant would have the ability to quench a wide variety of free radicals, to support the functioning of other antioxidants, to function in watery and fatty environments, and to be present in tissues, cells and extracellular spaces. Lipoic Acid exceeds these criteria and can thus be considered one of the most potent antioxidants available.


Together, LA and DHLA are ideal for the following reasons:2,3,4

1) LA is readily converted to DHLA in various tissues.

2) As a pair, LA and DHLA neutralize superoxide, hydroxyl, peroxyl, and hypochlorus radicals.

3) LA and DHLA form stable complexes with metal ions such as iron, manganese, copper and zinc ions.

4) LA and DHLA scavenge free radicals in fatty and watery environments.

5) DHLA recycles other important antioxidants.


DHLA regenerates vitamin C, vitamin E and glutathione.


Vitamin C, vitamin E and glutathione are key antioxidants that play major roles in the body’s defense mechanism. These antioxidants exert their activity by cycling between their oxidized and reduced forms. This is necessary to maintain the balance between oxidation and its reverse––the neutralization of free radicals by antioxidants.


DHLA is an essential component in the interaction between these antioxidants.5 Studies show that the addition of lipoic acid to liver tissue results in increased vitamin C levels. It has been found that DHLA is responsible for regenerating vitamin C, which in turn regenerates vitamin E.4 DHLA also converts glutathione from its oxidized form back into its free radical scavenging reduced form.4,6 The LA/DHLA pair is vital for prevention of "oxidative stress," which occurs when the balance is tipped in favor of oxidation in cells.5 DHLA helps preserve antioxidants in both the watery cell interior and the fatty structure of cell membranes.7 Evidence from animal studies suggests that DHLA protects the brain against free radical damage.8 By regenerating vitamin C, E, and glutathione in tissue, LA/DHLA help reestablish the antioxidant/oxidant balance in the body.


Lipoic Acid and Blood Sugar


Lipoic acid is a key factor in the cellular process that metabolizes glucose for energy production. LA’s role in blood sugar metabolism is seen in studies on LA and type-2 diabetes. In a small pilot study, thirteen people with type-2 diabetes showed improved utilization of glucose in muscle tissue in response to intravenous administration of LA.9 In a larger controlled trial, 74 people with type-2 diabetes took LA in oral doses of 600, 1200 or 1800 mg per day. After 4 weeks, the normal lowering of blood sugar levels in response to insulin improved.10 In vitro studies have shown that LA has a positive effect on insulin-stimulated uptake of glucose by muscle cells.11


Superiority of the R- form

Lipoic acid comes in two forms, designated as “R-lipoic acid” and “S-lipoic acid.” R- and S- lipoic acid are isomers­­––compounds containing the same atoms with a different arrangement of those atoms in space. R- and S-lipoic acid are optical mirror-images of each other; isomers with this characteristic are called “enantiomers.” R-lipoic acid is naturally synthesized by humans, animals and plants. S-lipoic acid is formed during chemical synthesis of alpha lipoic acid, which produces a mixture of the two enantiomers containing equal parts of each.


Pharmacokinetic studies show that R-lipoic acid reaches higher serum levels than the S- form. Following single oral doses of 50 to 600 mg maximum serum levels of LA were 40 to 50% higher with the R-form.12



In vitro and animal studies have compared the effects of the two alpha lipoic acid isomers. In many cases the naturally occurring R-lipoic acid has shown greater potency than the S-form. For example, R-lipoic acid decreased cataract formation induced by the toxin buthionine sulfoximine (BSO) in rats, while S-lipoic acid had no effect.13 In an in vitro study, brain cells from newborn rats were exposed to two toxins that inhibit synthesis of glutathione, resulting in neuronal degeneration via oxidative stress. Both R- and S-lipoic acid protected cells against oxidative neurotoxicity induced by homocystic acid (HCA). Only R-lipoic acid protected cells against prolonged exposure to BSO.14


The comparative effects of R- and S- lipoic acid on glucose metabolism in insulin-resistant skeletal muscle of rats have also been studied. Zucker obese rats were injected with either the R- or the S- isomers. R- lipoic acid increased insulin-mediated glucose uptake into skeletal muscle, whereas S-lipoic acid had no effect. Additionally, R-lipoic acid stimulated glucose oxidation and glycogen synthesis, whereas S-lipoic acid, again, was without effect. Moreover, R-lipoic acid reduced plasma insulin levels, while S-lipoic acid actually increased plasma insulin by 15%. These findings suggest R-lipoic acid alone helps normalize blood glucose in insulin-resistance subjects, although this has yet to be confirmed in humans.15


Aging is accompanied by a decreased ability of the liver to recycle ascorbic acid following oxidative stress. R-lipoic acid, after two weeks of supplementation to aged rats, reversed the age-related impairment of ascorbic acid recycling and concentration in liver cells.16 A second study confirmed these results. Researchers determined that an RLA-supplemented diet fed to old rats for two weeks resulted in improved mitochondrial function, decreased free radical damage and increased metabolic rate. Whereas a significant decline was seen in ascorbic acid and glutathione levels in the livers of the control rats, the RLA supplemented group showed no decline in the levels of these critical antioxidants.17


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Re: Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

Postby julesm on Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:45 pm

so its you who is bankrupting the nhs with SMBG (self monitoring of blood glucose), the leading minds recommend only type 1 diabetics prick themselves :-)

good self analysis- why not try with dextrose (obviously tastes wank) but thats what they use in the WHO recommended OGTT, i'm thinking the nuts and fat content of the bar may be slowing the spike?

good timings of the tests though!!! a major shortfall of smbg is that it just gives a reading- it doesnt tell you whether the levels are rising or falling UNLESS you do a multitude of tests, which would then be cost prohibitive.

a new method is now being utilised cbmg (continuous) where a sensor is subq'd and it gives levels of bg every 5 mins from interstitial fluid

hats off to kp for pioneering himself in the name of science- it must have been sheer hell having chocolate for breakfast!
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Re: Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

Postby kp1512 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:51 pm

lol...only reason I didnt do Dextrose is that I get serious sugar wobblies from it....MAY try WMS again in my next window of cheats......but as I did the same two days in a row...Im hoping the indicative info has some value.....but yes Dex would have been ideal...however saying that, I have done this test with WMS PWO..but I dont think thats a fair assessment due to other factors being involved?
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Re: Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

Postby julesm on Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:55 pm

true v true- pointless doing pwo
you obviously know about study bias and set decent confidence intervals with your self experimenting

would be interesting nonetheless to see how effective na-rala is on different types of carbs though- if they are all equal?

did you get the strips on script or buy them?

why roche over any other monitor? i nearly jumped ship to lifescan recently (one touch) ....jobwise but didnt bother
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Re: Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

Postby kp1512 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:58 pm

julesm wrote:true v true- pointless doing pwo
you obviously know about study bias and set decent confidence intervals with your self experimenting

would be interesting nonetheless to see how effective na-rala is on different types of carbs though- if they are all equal?

did you get the strips on script or buy them?

why roche over any other monitor? i nearly jumped ship to lifescan recently (one touch) ....jobwise but didnt bother


I bought them..OUCH (another industry scam but wont go into that! these strips are a scam and dnt need to be the price they are!)...but I dont use many to be honest..only when Im doing shit like this....

Reason why I got the Accue was cuz Boots had them for £5 lol.....early last year...

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Re: Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

Postby Dtlv74 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:15 pm

Yep, top supplement K(r)ALA, a fav antioxidant of mine.

Nice work KP - nobel prize for contributions to science awarded!
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Re: Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

Postby Hugh on Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:46 am

Excellent !!

What about chromium polinicotinate :twisted: :twisted:

I read some guys use up to 600-1000 mg of R-ALA for cutting.
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Re: Na-RALA - Self Experimentation

Postby kp1512 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:50 am

Hugh wrote:Excellent !!

What about chromium polinicotinate :twisted: :twisted:

I read some guys use up to 600-1000 mg of R-ALA for cutting.


That is alot even with R-ALA....I wouldnt want to take over 300mg in one sitting to be honest....but then it also depends on how many carbs it takes I guess
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