At present, im rotating squats and deads speed and ME work every 3 weeks, so basically when im speed squatting im heavy deadlifting and vice versa. Now tbh, im not sure whether this is a good idea because for example, i'm not sure the carry over from speed squats and heavy deads will be sufficient to maintain squat poundages when theyre not being trained.

I know it's a pretty vague question, but is this approach any good..or should i do say, heavyish squats and deads weekly and just rotate which one is ME and just do a heavy 5 on the other exercise.

If anything never do the 3 weeks of speed squats, do speed deads instead, you always need to train squat reasonably heavy and your deadlift will eventually improve with it.

Personally though i don't like the idea of it, i would just get used to squatting and deadlifting pretty heavy on same night as its what you will do in competition. If you have a VERY hard squat session then simply dont deadlift.

hope thats of any use

I'm not in the same league as you guys here but that makes sense to me Ash.

Right thanks for the input.

So...you think i should train both lifts reasonably heavy and perhaps rotate between ME and heavy-ish 5's? I can see this working well actually. WRT speed work, although i always lift with full speed anyway, i've got to say im a big believer in it's effectiveness, although doing both DE squats and deads every week is alittle time consuming and OTT. So perhaps simply rotate speed work too...lol im pya into this rotation business as you can see.

im getting very conufsed now!!!

do you squat and deadlift on the same day? swear you do?

whats the difference between ME and 5's?

Heavy 5 is one were you say afterwards, fuck me that was quite tough. ME is shit-a-kidney lifting, where you do a heavy 2 which makes your eyes go pink and blood run from your nose and arse...just me?

and no i don't! i did for a long time, but recently i rotate them.

Karlos wrote:Heavy 5 is one were you say afterwards, fuck me that was quite tough. ME is shit-a-kidney lifting, where you do a heavy 2 which makes your eyes go pink and blood run from your nose and arse...just me?

HAHAHA... PMSL... that had me giggling like a little school girl

LOL

Oright i thought ME just meant heavy stuff, not like balls to wall. In that case i wouldnt do ME that much atal! stick to 5's, cycling from high to low on volume and lower to higher on intensity. And if you man up (hehe) do squat and deads on same day.
so effectively your training more explosively at beggining of cycle with lots of volume (which IMO is FAR superior than DE) and then the hard shit later on

all in my opinion though of course

ME is what you told me not to do

Described by the Westside guys as working up to a limit set of 1-3 reps I think.

Lots of guys find power cleans fulfill the function of speed deadlifts, myself included. They have the added benefit of making Curt complain when you do them.

Guys do you do much support type exercises for these lifts?

I'd imagine Good Mornings have a good carry over for squats (you should have seen my pin squats the other day lol ) and RDL's the same for Deadlifts?

Do you ever have a break from the big two and try the other lifts??

At risk of being a journal whore, everything I do is in my journal

To save you the bother, I do squats and RDLs on ME day (which isn't really ME day anymore), and DE box squats and powercleans on DE day. I'm going to start doing overhead squats on DE day, because they hit the core hard, are totally badass and will probably upset Curt when he sees them in my MP journal.

I may have been exaggerating alittle, i wouldn't say it's balls to wall like contests are, you just train heavy in the 3 rep range...imo this is simply the best way to get stronger if you train it cleverly! 5s won't prepare you for real heavy stuff that you should be shifting. Thats why some people seem to be very strong over 5 reps, yet there one rep max is only 10kg heavier, they don't train for the real heavy stuff. Just to clarify, either i was rambling or you was alittle on the slow side last night, but i will be squatting and deadlifting on the same night, i think that makes sense.

Bison, i train RDLs, snatch deficit deadlifts, olys and fronts. obviously not at the same time. All four of them have got good carry over imo and theyre all fun! I don't train them instead of the big two, but along side on the other day, usually not heavy, 6's at most.