Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

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Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby Dtlv74 on Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:19 pm

Knew that overfeeding in general is always going to screw insulin sensitivity, but is somewhat surprising that in equal calorie overfeeding that high fat and low carb is worse for insulin sensitivity than low carb and high fat.... so if bulking do it with carbs!

Early responses of insulin signaling to high-carbohydrate and high-fat overfeeding

Abstract
Background
Early molecular changes of nutritionally-induced insulin resistance are still enigmatic. It is also unclear if acute overnutrition alone can alter insulin signaling in humans or if the macronutrient composition of the diet can modulate such effects.

Methods
To investigate the molecular correlates of metabolic adaptation to either high-carbohydrate (HC) or high-fat (HF) overfeeding, we conducted overfeeding studies in 21 healthy lean (BMI < 25) individuals (10 women, 11 men), age 20-45, with normal glucose metabolism and no family history of diabetes. Subjects were studied first following a 5-day eucaloric (EC) diet (30% fat, 50% CHO, 20% protein) and then in a counter balanced manner after 5 days of 40% overfeeding of both a HC (20% fat, 60% CHO) diet and a HF (50% fat, 30% CHO) diet. At the end of each diet phase, in vivo insulin sensitivity was assessed using the hyperinsulinemic-euglycemic clamp technique. Ex vivo insulin action was measured from skeletal muscle tissue samples obtained 15 minutes after insulin infusion was initiated.

Results
Overall there was no change in whole-body insulin sensitivity as measured by glucose disposal rate (GDR, EC: 12.1 ± 4.7; HC: 10.9 ± 2.7; HF: 10.8 ± 3.4). Assessment of skeletal muscle insulin signaling demonstrated increased tyrosine phosphorylation of IRS-1 (p < 0.001) and increased IRS-1-associated phosphatidylinositol 3 (PI 3)-kinase activity (p < 0.001) following HC overfeeding. In contrast, HF overfeeding increased skeletal muscle serine phosophorylation of IRS-1 (p < 0.001) and increased total expression of p85α (P < 0.001).

Conclusion
We conclude that acute bouts of overnutrition lead to changes at the cellular level before whole-body insulin sensitivity is altered. On a signaling level, HC overfeeding resulted in changes compatible with increased insulin sensitivity. In contrast, molecular changes in HF overfeeding were compatible with a reduced insulin sensitivity.

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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby ollie on Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:59 pm

Nu would love it. Source?
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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby Dtlv74 on Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:09 pm

ollie wrote:Nu would love it. Source?


He'd dismiss it and probably put the results down to poor study design :roll: Link to source is at the bottom of quoted bit...is from the Journal of Nutrition & Metabolism.

I have another related scientific article which again suggests obesity and overeating is the prime issue with insulin insensitivity not so much carbs on their own. It also suggests that a diet heavy with long chain fatty acids (saturated fats) causes more problems due to increased lipotoxicity and ceramide production which interferes further with insulin reponses.

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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby ollie on Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:46 pm

Not sure how I managed to miss that. Thanks :)
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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby Pain on Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:02 pm

I've stated the principles in that study before (only to have them 'rubbished' by nu!)
Thanks for that study, it backs up some of my theory.

Dtlv74 wrote:I have another related scientific article which again suggests obesity and overeating is the prime issue with insulin insensitivity not so much carbs on their own. It also suggests that a diet heavy with long chain fatty acids (saturated fats) causes more problems due to increased lipotoxicity and ceramide production which interferes further with insulin reponses.

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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby Resurrected on Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:18 pm

Pain wrote:I've stated the principles in that study before (only to have them 'rubbished' by nu!)
Thanks for that study, it backs up some of my theory.

Dtlv74 wrote:I have another related scientific article which again suggests obesity and overeating is the prime issue with insulin insensitivity not so much carbs on their own. It also suggests that a diet heavy with long chain fatty acids (saturated fats) causes more problems due to increased lipotoxicity and ceramide production which interferes further with insulin reponses.

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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby Pain on Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:44 pm

Resurrected wrote:
Pain wrote:I've stated the principles in that study before (only to have them 'rubbished' by nu!)
Thanks for that study, it backs up some of my theory.

Dtlv74 wrote:I have another related scientific article which again suggests obesity and overeating is the prime issue with insulin insensitivity not so much carbs on their own. It also suggests that a diet heavy with long chain fatty acids (saturated fats) causes more problems due to increased lipotoxicity and ceramide production which interferes further with insulin reponses.

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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby Dtlv74 on Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:19 pm

Lack of action... that really does explain Ressies constant bad mood! :lol:

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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby health4ni on Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:02 pm

is it ALL saturated fats or just the bad ones?
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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby Alex on Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:17 pm

health4ni wrote:is it ALL saturated fats or just the bad ones?


As it just mentions long chain and the goods ones will be medium chain then my guess would be the bad ones...
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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby Dtlv74 on Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:15 pm

health4ni wrote:is it ALL saturated fats or just the bad ones?


That question is actually a big one, and one that in general terms leads to something that somewhat annoys me with studies on fats.

Different saturated fats (palmitic, butyric, lauric etc) have very different physiological effects to each other... just like different amino acids do. In these studies to make a claim about 'saturated fat' as a whole, is not always helpful. Just like you can't apply the properties of a specific amino acid to 'protein' as a whole, it really should be qualified as to whether a claim about saturates applies to all lipids in that catagory or just specific ones.

Long Chain Fatty Acids (LCFA's) should refer to those with more than 12 carbons in the chain - the main fat in coconut oil is lauric which is a 12 carbon fatty acid so just below the criteria.

From my nerd notes:

Short chain (SCFA) - less than 6 carbons
Medium chain (MCFA) 6-12 carbons
Long chain (LCFA) 13+ carbons

Very long chain (VLCFA) 22+ carbons*

*often no distinction between LCFA and VLCFA

Most saturated fats in an average unhealthy diet are longchain.

If you guys think it'd be useful, do you want me to do a seperate thread, kind of like a 'sticky' on this in a bit more detail?
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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby RoB on Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:34 am

Interesting stuff! That extra info/sticky would be awesome Dtlv, never really looked into this sort of stuff.
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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby health4ni on Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:06 am

Thanks Det, good info. Go for it I say
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Re: Responses of insulin to high-carb & high-fat overfeeding

Postby Rab on Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:22 am

Pain wrote:
Have you got your nuts off yet and unloaded your man sack into a silk purse? Or are you still as untouched as the day you were born? :twisted: ;)


Probably more than you have so far this year, old man, judging by your welcoming comment.[/quote]

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