Rilla wrote:I have no idea about the strength gains on Var and naturally they're individual. At 89kg and 5"11 I do know hat a 130kg bench isn't a very big number at all. I've personally gone from 110kg max to 130kg max in a couple of months while training 2-2½ times a week just by using simple progressive overload with a couple of twists.

Bench has always been my weakest point, my back and legs are very strong. I'm using this med mainly to harden/cut up and add some good strength to my bench.

Oggy wrote:

simon m wrote:Shorter courses are safer, so go for 6 weeks first off and I'm sure you'll hit 140kg

Hmmm yeah, with drugs like dbol and winny as they're harsh on the liver but var is one of the safest anabolic meds for your liver and people report 0 side effects. I hear that it takes 3-4 weeks for var to kick in so 10-12 weeks may be best.

You still get massive shut down though, so it's not just about your liver, if you want a kickstart and you're only using orals, do two weeks on d/bol at 30mg per day, whilst taking the var at the same time.

If you've never used anything before, you'll really notice that...

If I were you I'd start out by trying to unlearn what you know. Simply stop thinking of bench as your weak point and start hammering in the PBs. Once you get going there will be no stopping you, I can guarantee you that much. Also, use all the little tricks - read/watch videos about benching and more importantly - move it to the beginning of the workout when you're fresh. Now I have no idea about your routine, but I do know that everybody can get to a 1.5xBW bench naturally.

Did anyone ever get the bulk powder Anavar from those sites that send you 5 gram bags? How was it?

Rab wrote:Did anyone ever get the bulk powder Anavar from those sites that send you 5 gram bags? How was it?

I've still got it at home, breaking my leg and ankle put it on the back burner, so I'll do come Novemeber.

Rab wrote:Did anyone ever get the bulk powder Anavar from those sites that send you 5 gram bags? How was it?

my friend has just got some from them - he said it took a while - 10 days but did arrive and was happy. Bloody expensive though from the site.

kp1512 wrote:

Rab wrote:Did anyone ever get the bulk powder Anavar from those sites that send you 5 gram bags? How was it?

my friend has just got some from them - he said it took a while - 10 days but did arrive and was happy. Bloody expensive though from the site.

Still got to be cheaper than tablet form which is immense.

Alex wrote:

kp1512 wrote:

Rab wrote:Did anyone ever get the bulk powder Anavar from those sites that send you 5 gram bags? How was it?

my friend has just got some from them - he said it took a while - 10 days but did arrive and was happy. Bloody expensive though from the site.

Still got to be cheaper than tablet form which is immense.

yeh def - tablet is just shockingly expensive. makes taking 80mg-100mg near impossible unless seriously loaded

^^ Its costly all right. I sometimes wonder how some people manage to afford all the chemicals, ancillaries, and normal supplements as well as food.

^ I agree - its not cheap even if you do get them cat a good price.

Alot will sacrifice food for running a cycle.

I knew of plenty a couple of years ago that were so taken by HGH that they'd choose running that over food.

What's a typical average price for tablet form Anavar? Is it really that expensive??

Depends how complicated you make it, test, letro, tamoxifen, d-bol are all very cheap when you know where to look.

Bison wrote:What's a typical average price for tablet form Anavar? Is it really that expensive??

Works out @ £1 per 20mg tab when buying 250 of them so if you want to run 100mg per day that's £5 per day! (price of a strip dance ) So its nothing really, I mean we don't complain when we spend £50-100 on a night out in the clubs and bars!

simon m wrote:

Oggy wrote:

simon m wrote:Shorter courses are safer, so go for 6 weeks first off and I'm sure you'll hit 140kg

Hmmm yeah, with drugs like dbol and winny as they're harsh on the liver but var is one of the safest anabolic meds for your liver and people report 0 side effects. I hear that it takes 3-4 weeks for var to kick in so 10-12 weeks may be best.

You still get massive shut down though, so it's not just about your liver, if you want a kickstart and you're only using orals, do two weeks on d/bol at 30mg per day, whilst taking the var at the same time.

If you've never used anything before, you'll really notice that...

I do have some dbol so may do this. Will the var keep me dry on dbol? Can't be assed with the bloat. Though I am stacking the var with creatine, 80mg var, 30mg dbol plus 3-5 gram of creatine will be some stack. Too much maybe?

I ran test 3 years ago for 8 weeks, never done dbol though, only PH's like epi, M1T and S1+ loved that stuff!

Rilla wrote:If I were you I'd start out by trying to unlearn what you know. Simply stop thinking of bench as your weak point and start hammering in the PBs. Once you get going there will be no stopping you, I can guarantee you that much. Also, use all the little tricks - read/watch videos about benching and more importantly - move it to the beginning of the workout when you're fresh. Now I have no idea about your routine, but I do know that everybody can get to a 1.5xBW bench naturally.

Good advice thanks. I think its got a LOT to do with me thinking that its hard. Its just a bit of metal, grrrrrrrr!

Oggy wrote:

Bison wrote:What's a typical average price for tablet form Anavar? Is it really that expensive??

Works out @ £1 per 20mg tab when buying 250 of them so if you want to run 100mg per day that's £5 per day! (price of a strip dance ) So its nothing really, I mean we don't complain when we spend £50-100 on a night out in the clubs and bars!

bloody hell - i wouldnt even consider buying at that price!! someone is ripping you off.

kp1512 wrote:

Oggy wrote:

Bison wrote:What's a typical average price for tablet form Anavar? Is it really that expensive??

Works out @ £1 per 20mg tab when buying 250 of them so if you want to run 100mg per day that's £5 per day! (price of a strip dance ) So its nothing really, I mean we don't complain when we spend £50-100 on a night out in the clubs and bars!

bloody hell - i wouldnt even consider buying at that price!! someone is ripping you off.

I don't thing they are, I was offered by someone that's street prices for 100 10mg dbol tabs they wanted £110!!!!! My supplier does the same deal for £30 which is quite cheap IMO. Var is just damn expensive! I think they charge so much because its the only roid women can take @ 10-20mg ed and get good gains from. So its cheap for women.

Oggy wrote: I mean we don't complain when we spend £50-100 on a night out in the clubs and bars!

I'm annoyed if I spend more than a tenner at the pub.

Oggy wrote:

Bison wrote:What's a typical average price for tablet form Anavar? Is it really that expensive??

Works out @ £1 per 20mg tab when buying 250 of them so if you want to run 100mg per day that's £5 per day! (price of a strip dance ) So its nothing really, I mean we don't complain when we spend £50-100 on a night out in the clubs and bars!

I hope you didn't pay £250 for 250 20mg tabs..£55-60 for 100 20mg tabs is more like it.

Rorschach wrote:

Oggy wrote: I mean we don't complain when we spend £50-100 on a night out in the clubs and bars!

I'm annoyed if I spend more than a tenner at the pub.

And I'm lucky just to have a tenner to spend at the pub

Frio3535 wrote:

Oggy wrote:

Bison wrote:What's a typical average price for tablet form Anavar? Is it really that expensive??

Works out @ £1 per 20mg tab when buying 250 of them so if you want to run 100mg per day that's £5 per day! (price of a strip dance ) So its nothing really, I mean we don't complain when we spend £50-100 on a night out in the clubs and bars!

I hope you didn't pay £250 for 250 20mg tabs..£55-60 for 100 20mg tabs is more like it.

Yeah that's what I thought it should be about £150 for 250 tabs. The same dealer sells 500 10mg Dbols for £120, I thought that was pretty good for 5 33.3 day courses. Works out at £24 per month, thought that was not bad or I'm I being ripped off?

5g of powder is only £65 or so?

ollie wrote:5g of powder is only £65 or so?

That would be most economical way to do it, in oil.

Oggy wrote:

Frio3535 wrote:

Oggy wrote:Works out @ £1 per 20mg tab when buying 250 of them so if you want to run 100mg per day that's £5 per day! (price of a strip dance ) So its nothing really, I mean we don't complain when we spend £50-100 on a night out in the clubs and bars!

I hope you didn't pay £250 for 250 20mg tabs..£55-60 for 100 20mg tabs is more like it.

Yeah that's what I thought it should be about £150 for 250 tabs. The same dealer sells 500 10mg Dbols for £120, I thought that was pretty good for 5 33.3 day courses. Works out at £24 per month, thought that was not bad or I'm I being ripped off?

I've been told £40 for 100 20mg tabs. So for £120 = 300 20mg tabs, whereas your getting 250 20mg for £120