Resurrected wrote:Is it true that to really use steroids and benifit that you need to have got to the top of your nattie potential and that everything needs to be spot on ie training, diet (nutrition), rest etc. As if these things are not then your wasting your money?

No not true, sounds good though huh!

Dtlv74 wrote:Obviously the harder and better you train the more you will respond rule applies whether natty or juicing, but are there any training styles that are poorly suited to using whilst "on"... or is it just a case of train to your goals as you normally would?

just train hard and eat loads, you'll get awat with more voume and more food

paz wrote:Whats this oral called trenabol or something? Everyone at my gym has started taking it and are screaming about the results..

As far as I'm aware, orals are dangerous and the results aren't nearly as good as injectables...?

there is an oral called turinabol or an inject called tren, maybe its one of these?

Must be the first one - turinabol. Can't be trenbolene (sp) ..

Few of the guys got it over the counter at the supplement shop, his words were 'this will be illegal soon so stock up while you can'. They are swear by it and in fairness their lifts seem to have improved a fair bit.

Craig wrote:

paz wrote:Whats this oral called trenabol or something? Everyone at my gym has started taking it and are screaming about the results..

As far as I'm aware, orals are dangerous and the results aren't nearly as good as injectables...?

there is an oral called turinabol or an inject called tren, maybe its one of these?

Its a prophormone.

paz wrote:Must be the first one - turinabol. Can't be trenbolene (sp) ..

Few of the guys got it over the counter at the supplement shop, his words were 'this will be illegal soon so stock up while you can'. They are swear by it and in fairness their lifts seem to have improved a fair bit.

Oh right, why stock up on something that will be illegal when you can just buy steroids legally?

No idea I don't know much about roids bar the basics so just thought I'd try and find out what this stuff is.

I guess people use them as it means they dont have to inject. From what I understand though its much worse for the body (particularly liver as this is where they get broken down right?), and the gains aren't as good. Might as well just use the real thing.

Still scares the crap out of me about getting it wrong though, or injecting in the wrong place, and the side effects, and what to do if it all goes wrong etc...! Gyno isn't reversible is it?

Well I heard you shouldn't inject in the calf

As for your gyno, I think you can do things to help prevent it when you are on a cycle can't you?

paz wrote:Well I heard you shouldn't inject in the calf

As for your gyno, I think you can do things to help prevent it when you are on a cycle can't you?

You can, but if you feck it up you just don't want to be shooting blanks and have bitch tits!

Will wrote:

paz wrote:Well I heard you shouldn't inject in the calf

As for your gyno, I think you can do things to help prevent it when you are on a cycle can't you?

You can, but if you feck it up you just don't want to be shooting blanks and have bitch tits!

Its not reversable but the lumps can be decreased right down to an unoticable (sp) size. Shooting blanks is an advantage in my eyes.

Craig wrote:

Will wrote:

paz wrote:Well I heard you shouldn't inject in the calf

As for your gyno, I think you can do things to help prevent it when you are on a cycle can't you?

You can, but if you feck it up you just don't want to be shooting blanks and have bitch tits!

Its not reversable but the lumps can be decreased right down to an unoticable (sp) size. Shooting blanks is an advantage in my eyes.

Me 2 and totally rversable.

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Craig wrote:

Will wrote:

paz wrote:Well I heard you shouldn't inject in the calf

As for your gyno, I think you can do things to help prevent it when you are on a cycle can't you?

You can, but if you feck it up you just don't want to be shooting blanks and have bitch tits!

Its not reversable but the lumps can be decreased right down to an unoticable (sp) size. Shooting blanks is an advantage in my eyes.

There was a really good thread on UKM or maybe it was BOI about operating procedures to remove the excess breast tissue created during gyno. It was really informative and highlighted what procedures are actually required and what surgeons are just blowing smoke. I'll see if I can find it.

Re shooting blanks....gotta be less painful then getting the snip like a mate of mine just has....but remember, its not guaranteed you will be shooting blanks and still doesn't protect against other nasties that may be out there.

Dtlv74 wrote:Obviously the harder and better you train the more you will respond rule applies whether natty or juicing, but are there any training styles that are poorly suited to using whilst "on"... or is it just a case of train to your goals as you normally would?

For strength athletes I would say do volume PBs for the first few weeks of the cycle rather than keep doing very low reps. This will help your connective tissue get stronger before you set big PB singles which could result in injury otherwise. Obviously this doesn't usually apply to BBers because they are not usually doing 1s 2s and 3s anyway.