Steroids QandA thread

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Steroids QandA thread

Postby Max on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:01 pm

Basically like the title says, need to know anthing post it here and people who know the answers will give out some good knowledge.
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Rilla on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:02 pm

Are steroids bad for your nuts?
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Max on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:10 pm

Rilla wrote:Are steroids bad for your nuts?


Rather the opposite my Rilla chum! They give you incredible man nuts of steely awesomeness :mrgreen: :lol:
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Rilla on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:12 pm

Max wrote:
Rilla wrote:Are steroids bad for your nuts?


Rather the opposite my Rilla chum! They give you incredible man nuts of steely awesomeness :mrgreen: :lol:


That sounds really nice. Maybe I should do get some steroids then.
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Max on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:19 pm

Rilla wrote:
Max wrote:
Rilla wrote:Are steroids bad for your nuts?


Rather the opposite my Rilla chum! They give you incredible man nuts of steely awesomeness :mrgreen: :lol:


That sounds really nice. Maybe I should do get some steroids then.


Be aware of the possible cottage cheese spunk from shut down :|
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Dtlv74 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:22 pm

Rilla wrote:
Max wrote:
Rilla wrote:Are steroids bad for your nuts?


Rather the opposite my Rilla chum! They give you incredible man nuts of steely awesomeness :mrgreen: :lol:


That sounds really nice. Maybe I should do get some steroids then.


Hmmn, a typical ESN thread... either sex/sexual practice or talk of reproductive organs always manages to get a mention within three posts! :roll: :D

I've got a question to start (have got more for later too!) - I've often seen the abbreviations ED and EOD used.... or more often people asking stuff like "Is it better to inject Winstrol ED or EOD?"... what do they mean?
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Rilla on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:25 pm

Every and every other day.
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Max on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:29 pm

ED = Every day
EOD = Every other day
E3d = Every 3rd day
and so on :)

Depending on the ester and half life of the gear you have to inj at defferent intervals to acheieve a stable blood conc.
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Dtlv74 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:30 pm

Max wrote:ED = Every day
EOD = Every other day
E3d = Every 3rd day
and so on :)

Depending on the ester and half life of the gear you have to inj at defferent intervals to acheieve a stable blood conc.


Thanks & good info on the half life!Is what i thought but really wasn't sure... is why we need a thread like this because when you know absolutely nothing about a subject, all the unknown names and abbreviations make even the simple stuff confusing!
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Max on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:33 pm

Dtlv74 wrote:
Max wrote:ED = Every day
EOD = Every other day
E3d = Every 3rd day
and so on :)

Depending on the ester and half life of the gear you have to inj at defferent intervals to acheieve a stable blood conc.


Thanks & good info on the half life!Is what i thought but really wasn't sure... is why we need a thread like this because when you know absolutely nothing about a subject, all the unknown names and abbreviations make even the simple stuff confusing!


Yeah exactly, I remember when I was first looking into it. It took me a whole year pretty much to get a through grounding on the subject.
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Dtlv74 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:44 pm

OK, next question - i often see things like this "17-AA" or "C-17" in relation to oral steroids.

Am guessing that this is just an abbreviation for alkylation (where the steroid molecule has been altered at the 17th bond allow it to sneak past the liver and to actually get into the system)... is this correct or am i way off?
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Rab on Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:06 pm

Where do the issues with fertility lie with aas use? HWat are the potential issues in this respect?

if take steroids and get bigger muscles, will my penis also grow a bigger love-muscle if i train it with a wee ez barbell?
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby kp1512 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:17 pm

Rab wrote:Where do the issues with fertility lie with aas use? HWat are the potential issues in this respect?

if take steroids and get bigger muscles, will my penis also grow a bigger love-muscle if i train it with a wee ez barbell?


Long term there is data to suggest that levels can take longer to return depending on your total cycle. But overall youll still be able to fire loaded tadpoles.

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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Max on Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:49 pm

Dtlv74 wrote:OK, next question - i often see things like this "17-AA" or "C-17" in relation to oral steroids.

Am guessing that this is just an abbreviation for alkylation (where the steroid molecule has been altered at the 17th bond allow it to sneak past the liver and to actually get into the system)... is this correct or am i way off?


The c 17 aa means; carbon atom bond 17 alpha alkylation, this for example is what has been done to testosteron to create the androgen Methandrostenolone AKA dbol. It makes the structure durable enough to pass through the liver and also changes its bingding affinity for androgen receptor sites. This is what makes orals raise liver enzymes as the liver will try to metabolise the steroid.

So totally correct lolo
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Rab on Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:15 pm

How much potential is ther for other probems besides the liver....heart (growth/damage), kidneys, pancreas, intestines and glands such as the adrenals, thyroid etc?
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby kp1512 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:24 pm

Rab wrote:How much potential is ther for other probems besides the liver....heart (growth/damage), kidneys, pancreas, intestines and glands such as the adrenals, thyroid etc?


only if there cell producing drugs. HGH, IGF etc.

Although there is data to suggest too much cardio on aas can to a degree enlarge the heart valves but not sure if this is conclusive.

Just remember

AAS - Make EXISTING cells bigger
GH/IGF - Create NEW cells
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Will on Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:24 pm

If you're mid cycle and you go on holiday what do you do?

If you're having a shit week at work and can't train what are the repercussions?

How full on does your training have to be?
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby kp1512 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:26 pm

Will wrote:If you're mid cycle and you go on holiday what do you do?

If you're having a shit week at work and can't train what are the repercussions?

How full on does your training have to be?


Either take the gear with you [dep on legality in the country] or make sure you plan the cycle

Well just means you wont be getting the most from the gear

As it is when off - you just end up progressing faster
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Jake The Muss on Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:29 pm

Is PCT needed for all cycles?
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Dtlv74 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:16 pm

Obviously the harder and better you train the more you will respond rule applies whether natty or juicing, but are there any training styles that are poorly suited to using whilst "on"... or is it just a case of train to your goals as you normally would?
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Max on Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:16 pm

Jake The Muss wrote:Is PCT needed for all cycles?


Only if you come off .. ;)
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby paz on Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:25 pm

Whats this oral called trenabol or something? Everyone at my gym has started taking it and are screaming about the results..

As far as I'm aware, orals are dangerous and the results aren't nearly as good as injectables...?
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Resurrected on Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:02 am

Is it true that to really use steroids and benifit that you need to have got to the top of your nattie potential and that everything needs to be spot on ie training, diet (nutrition), rest etc. As if these things are not then your wasting your money?
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby cleaver on Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:06 am

paz wrote:Whats this oral called trenabol or something? Everyone at my gym has started taking it and are screaming about the results..

As far as I'm aware, orals are dangerous and the results aren't nearly as good as injectables...?


Sounds like another ghey prohormone. ;)
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Re: Steroids QandA thread

Postby Resurrected on Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:29 am

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