Anyone running or planning of running this again?

Seems like there was a lot of talk about it, a few people gave it a go and got generally good results but then it's died off.

Personally I wont be using Epistane again.I got good gains but for me the side effect of back pumps was too much.

I may in the future.

Did about half a bottle before my tendons became so painful i couldn't train.

Something I have thought about but I think prices are going up.

May plan on something in August.

theres a fair few bad boys out now in this range i was reading that may get pulled off the market over there

Ill get some of the newer names.

How do people rate prohormones like Epistane & what would be their most effective use? Hypertrophy/maintaining mass whilst cutting/strength gains...?

Do they warrant PCT?

Same as steroids imo. Better to use decent gear than PH..

I agree, it was a waste of time for me. Gave me horrific tendonitus + small balls in the short space of time i was on it. The next time I delve into the grey area it will definitely be with real gear.

It's always something I think "should I/shouldn't I" - then I read articles on it which makes me think, yeah sounds good. Then I read stuff on it that makes me think, no fucking way. Then for 6 months I don't think about it at all and train like a mofo and probably get just as good gains

Max wrote:Same as steroids imo. Better to use decent gear than PH..

I've done neither but if I was I'd proceed directly to test injections. Prohormones are a load of sh!te and the negative effects appear to be as bad as full blown AAS but without the same gains.

cleaver wrote:

Max wrote:Same as steroids imo. Better to use decent gear than PH..

I've done neither but if I was I'd proceed directly to test injections. Prohormones are a load of sh!te and the negative effects appear to be as bad as full blown AAS but without the same gains.

Agree Cleavster. I never did understand why people took them - like 50% more sides with 50% less gains.

But then also - alot of people hate the idea of Injections etc so i can kind of see there point; which I guess is whay dball and all are so popular for those inbetweeners.

I didn't suffer any sides at all but got minimal gains, maybe 1-2lbs so for me it wasn't so bad.

Nasty stuff. Dried out my joints really badly and was probably to blame for tendonitis in my elbow, which I've still not really recovered from.

I didn't get a huge amount off it either.

RoB wrote:I agree, it was a waste of time for me. Gave me horrific tendonitus + small balls in the short space of time i was on it. The next time I delve into the grey area it will definitely be with real gear.

ollie wrote:Nasty stuff. Dried out my joints really badly and was probably to blame for tendonitis in my elbow, which I've still not really recovered from.

I didn't get a huge amount off it either.

Tendonitis seems a common theme here... is this a symptom common to all AAI use or something related to Epi or certain types of AAI only?

I don't think I gained anything from it, maybe dropped some bodyfat but nothing something as simple as an ECA stack can't do.

I tried it and ended up out of action for 6 months.... with tendon related problems funnily enough

No wonder I keep getting put off!

If I'm honest I don't think I'm brave enough to ever go down that route - although I know I'd make HUGE gains from it, it scares the shit out of me.

I always thought that, took me 20 years to dip my toe in and just have a little try. Talk about hyping something up! I was just like.... Is that it?? Very, very disappointed with it.

I've been thinking about a low dose test only course maybe next year as I'll be 35 but I'm worried about how I'll feel about training without it again afterwards... that's the problem!

what about a 5 weeker of Anavar at like 60mg a day?

kp1512 wrote:what about a 5 weeker of Anavar at like 60mg a day?

Dude you've gone over my head already

What's Anavar?

Bison wrote:I always thought that, took me 20 years to dip my toe in and just have a little try. Talk about hyping something up! I was just like.... Is that it?? Very, very disappointed with it.

I've been thinking about a low dose test only course maybe next year as I'll be 35 but I'm worried about how I'll feel about training without it again afterwards... that's the problem!

If you do test and an AI but without an oral like D-bol then I'm guessing you'll probably not notice too much in terms of strength gains but obviously you'll put on some mass and a little water, of which with good PCT you'll retain maybe 75%.

So the psychology of losing strength gains while off wouldn't be prominant.

kp1512 wrote:what about a 5 weeker of Anavar at like 60mg a day?

Pretty low dose?

Alex wrote:

kp1512 wrote:what about a 5 weeker of Anavar at like 60mg a day?

Pretty low dose?

first timer i think would be good with creatine and some cq10 [atp cycle yada yada yada]

maybe even 75mg

Will wrote:No wonder I keep getting put off!

If I'm honest I don't think I'm brave enough to ever go down that route - although I know I'd make HUGE gains from it, it scares the shit out of me.

To be completely honest I'm not dedicated enough to training or obsessed enough with being big to ever warrant AAI use. The most likely reason that may get me to go down that route is as i get older and if maintaining good shape becomes really difficult.

I am fascinated with it though... am with all areas of training. I don't really have any moral objections to it either, but do think many rush to AAIs too quickly before they've even learned how to train properly and eat correctly.

The one I have heard of and seems to be the one every man and his dog is using atm is Trenbolone. This gives good gains without water?