Started these again Monday after not doing them for a long time and forgot how much i loved them.

Was pulling from just below the knee and did not want to go too mad so worked up to 200KG for 5 then called it a day.
Now my training partner who is quite new to powerlifting is moaning that his back hurts way too much from it and is convinved that he is going to herniate a disc.

What do you guys think of them?

Rack Deads - Awesome! If you want to remove the lower body and focus on the entire back - there def high up in the back essentials catalogue.

I've never done them; mainly due to limited equipment in the past few years.

imo they are no or very little carry over to sports; thus full deadlifts (clean & snatch grip & RDLs) are far better.
For my clients that want to get stronger & lose weight then again no reason to do them.

For bodybuilders and powerlifters then they appear to useful.

Perhaps chucked in a few weeks in a year to get you used to holding a far heavier weight to help increase normal deadlifts I can see them being good.

I'm not convinced I did them correctly when I tried them, as I don't know enough I'll stick with full deads until i hit a plateau.

I wish I had an experienced lifter to train with.

health4ni wrote:I've never done them; mainly due to limited equipment in the past few years.

imo they are no or very little carry over to sports; thus full deadlifts (clean & snatch grip & RDLs) are far better.
For my clients that want to get stronger & lose weight then again no reason to do them.

For bodybuilders and powerlifters then they appear to useful.

Perhaps chucked in a few weeks in a year to get you used to holding a far heavier weight to help increase normal deadlifts I can see them being good.

If they can increase deadlifts, they would have at least some use for a sportsman imo...only for a mesocycle or something as you say.

I've personally never done them. I'm sure i will eventually though.

health4ni wrote:I've never done them; mainly due to limited equipment in the past few years.

imo they are no or very little carry over to sports; thus full deadlifts (clean & snatch grip & RDLs) are far better.
For my clients that want to get stronger & lose weight then again no reason to do them.

For bodybuilders and powerlifters then they appear to useful.

Perhaps chucked in a few weeks in a year to get you used to holding a far heavier weight to help increase normal deadlifts I can see them being good.

I'm afraid that i do disagree with you on that one. In every sport your are never moving in a full range of movement (rugby scrums, defensive line in american football, atlas stone lifting the last phase anyway) so i think thay have a good place for sportsman.

What are your views on good mornings?

GymBunny wrote:I'm not convinced I did them correctly when I tried them, as I don't know enough I'll stick with full deads until i hit a plateau.

I wish I had an experienced lifter to train with.

There are plenty of video's on the net that you can watch. If you go onto the elite fts website they have a video library of all excercises. That would be your best bet.
That or anything done by west side barbell club, Louie simmonds really made them famous like alot of other excercises that that russians had been doing for years.

Andy bolton does them as well. You might be able to get his training vid off of the net.

I agree with health on this. Although I can see the benefit for getting used to holding a weight (similar to walkouts) why do these type of deadlifts to emphasise the work on the posterior chain when you can do actual posterior chain exercises?

Coop_de_Ville wrote:I agree with health on this. Although I can see the benefit for getting used to holding a weight (similar to walkouts) why do these type of deadlifts to emphasise the work on the posterior chain when you can do actual posterior chain exercises?

You are removing the stimulus from the lower portion of the body and allowing increased load on the upper body.

How high is the rack which you lift off?

Coop_de_Ville wrote:How high is the rack which you lift off?

The bar is 2-3 inches below the knee cap.

I did them when my sticking point at 260kg was locking out and it got me past it, currently failing 270kg before my knees so not bothering with them for now.

I wouldnt touch them if not powerlifting at all.. bit to easy to mess up and wreck your back.

Good Mornings are fantastic. If done with correct form they destroy your posterior chain. Many people don't do them correctly though as they are very hard when the weight goes up, and so they're ROM decreases.

Alex Wheatman wrote:

health4ni wrote:I've never done them; mainly due to limited equipment in the past few years.

imo they are no or very little carry over to sports; thus full deadlifts (clean & snatch grip & RDLs) are far better.
For my clients that want to get stronger & lose weight then again no reason to do them.

For bodybuilders and powerlifters then they appear to useful.

Perhaps chucked in a few weeks in a year to get you used to holding a far heavier weight to help increase normal deadlifts I can see them being good.

I'm afraid that i do disagree with you on that one. In every sport your are never moving in a full range of movement (rugby scrums, defensive line in american football, atlas stone lifting the last phase anyway) so i think thay have a good place for sportsman.

What are your views on good mornings?

The concept that sports don't use full ROM is incorrect. Rugby players don't just scum. They run, tackle, jump & reach, lift etc etc.

Sports people that train in a partial ROM are always injured. Because they suddenly (maybe unexpectedly) have to perform a full ROM movement under stress etc and rip/tear etc etc soft tissue.

I like doing them off a very low rack/couple of plates. It makes it very hard and your max will probably be less than for your full deadlift.

mid shin and they really hit the lower back

health4ni wrote:Good Mornings are fantastic. If done with correct form they destroy your posterior chain. Many people don't do them correctly though as they are very hard when the weight goes up, and so they're ROM decreases.

Alex Wheatman wrote:

health4ni wrote:I've never done them; mainly due to limited equipment in the past few years.

imo they are no or very little carry over to sports; thus full deadlifts (clean & snatch grip & RDLs) are far better.
For my clients that want to get stronger & lose weight then again no reason to do them.

For bodybuilders and powerlifters then they appear to useful.

Perhaps chucked in a few weeks in a year to get you used to holding a far heavier weight to help increase normal deadlifts I can see them being good.

I'm afraid that i do disagree with you on that one. In every sport your are never moving in a full range of movement (rugby scrums, defensive line in american football, atlas stone lifting the last phase anyway) so i think thay have a good place for sportsman.

What are your views on good mornings?

The concept that sports don't use full ROM is incorrect. Rugby players don't just scum. They run, tackle, jump & reach, lift etc etc.

Sports people that train in a partial ROM are always injured. Because they suddenly (maybe unexpectedly) have to perform a full ROM movement under stress etc and rip/tear etc etc soft tissue.

I'm not saying that rugby players JUST scrum. I don't think that you are geting my point and i don't think we are going to get anywhere with this debate. I'm not aying that you only have to do partials. If i only did that they the first phase of my dead lift would suffer.

Using them in a mesocycle as mentioned would be the best way and thats how i do mine.

Could you also give me an example of sports people that train in partial ROM. I know a fair few and they are not always injured.

99% of people that squat don't do ATG. I bet most pro's don't do ATG.

But most pro's in what? So are box squats not good enough then?

health4ni wrote:99% of people that squat don't do ATG. I bet most pro's don't do ATG.

But ATG opens you up to more injury risk -

When I say ATG, it's as low as i can go. My calves and hams are squashed together and there's a physical barrier stopping me from getting any lower. Is that ATG or do you have to actually wipe your arse on the floor?

I hope that's not a serious comment KP

kp1512 wrote:

health4ni wrote:99% of people that squat don't do ATG. I bet most pro's don't do ATG.

But ATG opens you up to more injury risk -

Not if you're strict with form and keep weight jumps small.

hehe professional sports people in soccer, rugby, athletics. I've seen them do it!

Not tbf most rugby players aren't too bad at pro level cos rugby is one of the few sports that prioritises very heavily the use of good strength training and so you get good coaches (most of the time).

Box Squats are for hamstrings and hip work. And are good if done correctly. I have no problem with them. Their use is different.

@KP: I disagree.


I give up lol




@Karlos: as low as you can go whilst keeping correct form. I can probably sit 1-2 inches lower but then they'll be a stain on the ground and I'll be rounding my back too much.

ATG to me is my hamstrings are hitting my calfs and im starting to wonder if thats a fart or a poop thats knocking on the door.

Alex wrote:

kp1512 wrote:

health4ni wrote:99% of people that squat don't do ATG. I bet most pro's don't do ATG.

But ATG opens you up to more injury risk -

Not if you're strict with form and keep weight jumps small.

But there will be a cut off of maximum weight on ATG. As the force required to get out of a ATG [ass to calves] is too great on the body - hence why the very reason when you get to a certain weight many strenght althletes switch to below parallel.

Is there not a cut off point to any movement though?

If you went just below parallel there would be a smilar cut off point but with more weight. Same for Box Squats.