Paragraph to end all HF vs HC debates!

by **Karlos** on Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:46 pm

"Reality Check #3: All diets work! There's no "best diet." Low-carb/high-fat diets work. High-carb/low-fat diets work. Liquid diets work. High-protein diets work. The catch is, that while some diets work for others, they may not work for you. We're all different and the fat loss diet that makes your buddy all shredded and veiny may make you sick and constipated. Something out there works, of course, and it's your job to find it. You'll have to experiment and personalize your approach to dieting sooner or later."

Words of Chris Shugart.

Just thought i'd post that, i probably should be posting it on mp rather than here of course.

by **simon m** on Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:48 pm

Special K, that's just not true. Not all diets work as well. Some will work well in the short term, some will work better over time.

I championed the beer and curry diet and that just didn't workout for me!

by **kp1512** on Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:49 pm

Id agree with that to a degree...although some may lose \ increase effectivness over time? Dont know?

BUT, and the universal concept here is that efficiency!...

Substrate availability and utilisation and efficiency pre workout....ie CARBS provides instance energy to fuel the workout, and also allows for an increased rate of replenishment.....THAT is universal....and applies to every "normal" human.....would you not agree?

KP

by **Karlos** on Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:49 pm

Did you just read the first 5 words?

KP, i believe carbs are needed for optimal muscle building, 'period'. If that's what you're getting at. But that doesn't mean everyone should embark on a high carb diet.

by **upright** on Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:51 pm

Good post - I know what it takes for me to cut but I just can't lean bulk - I binned carb-cycling on a suggestion and now think I was right fist time. Time will tell - I have a year of personalising ahead.

by **simon m** on Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:53 pm

Karlos wrote:Did you just read the first 5 words?

KP, i believe carbs are needed for optimal muscle building, 'period'. If that's what you're getting at. But that doesn't mean everyone should embark on a high carb diet.

I read it all and whilst people are different, we all work roughly the same.

I think that for the vast majority of sports people the carbs pre, post diet with high protein and medium/low fat works well.

I also think that a short high fat approach will work to help get rid of fat.

I think a very high carb diet will make you fat.

by **Karlos** on Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:04 pm

We don't work the same though, infact i believe variability between individuals is blatantly staggering! That was the whole point of the paragraph.

I think the best standard approach we could advocate for performance and muscle building, whilst minimizing fat gain is-
-carbs PWO
-High protein and moderate-high fat every other meal
-Keeping close eye on cals, as i believe people who are not used to high fat will get fat if they don't closely count their cals, due to fat bieng more energy dense and not thermogenic.

by **simon m** on Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:39 am

Karlos wrote:We don't work the same though, infact i believe variability between individuals is blatantly staggering! That was the whole point of the paragraph.

I think the best standard approach we could advocate for performance and muscle building, whilst minimizing fat gain is-
-carbs PWO
-High protein and moderate-high fat every other meal
-Keeping close eye on cals, as i believe people who are not used to high fat will get fat if they don't closely count their cals, due to fat bieng more energy dense and not thermogenic.

Karlos

Mechanically, we're all roughly the same, so some truths are universal. Everyone want sto believe that they are unique and special, we're not!

The approacjh you've given above will work for everyone.

by **Canuck** on Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:18 am

Based on the research, more research is needed.

Any statement in the absence of current research is just an opinion, I am inclined as a scientist to trust in the research as it continues to evolve.

What's the latest research? Minimal in a direct comparison of the 2 methods.

by **simon m** on Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:16 am

Canuck PT wrote:Based on the research, more research is needed.

Any statement in the absence of current research is just an opinion, I am inclined as a scientist to trust in the research as it continues to evolve.

What's the latest research? Minimal in a direct comparison of the 2 methods.

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