So what do you guys make of Cameron taking on this New York dude?

Do you feel its a slap in the face for UK Police?

How do you think we should be in situations like what we witnessed, from a Policing perspective?

I can't answer for Res and GP but from my perspective, it's bollocks.

Zero tolerance is what Policing should have always been about. Small crime has a disproportionate affect upon people, from Graffiti to vandalism etc., as it makes little scrotes think they're above the law.

Judges are also very much to blame as "poor little tommy" had a tough life - so fucking what.

Tough life is doing the right thing all the time and getting fuck all for being a decent human being.

I hope this leads to a rebalancing of how criminals are dealt with. Why should people like my Parents be afraid and why should I fear for my wife and children??? WHY? This is not on, if fucktards what to carry on the way they are, then there are people who will end up going rogue and doing a Charles Bronson and I wouldn't blame anyone who took the law into their own hands.

Also, how can we cut coppers?

Rant over...... for now

Simon - I agree

In terms of Policing

Do you think that the issues we have had with them, around reputation, killings that they have been responsible for, lots of "cover ups" and general lack of accountability is also an issue?

I have watched two live debates now - the BBC and yday Ch4 one - and I heard a very good point

The Furniture shop in Croydon? Everyone was/is up in arms about it right? And rightly so. Now few weeks back a 16 year old got gang raped - yet nonone was? There have been over 20 killings this year - noone was up in arms. Yet a business goes up in flames - noone was killed in it and it was insured to the hilt - and its gets made out to the the biggest crime in history? Right or wrong?

Prison System - time and time again we see people saying that it doesnt work? IS this this case as its too easy and used as a fantastic networking facility? Should we not be giving them basics and then putting them out to work on roads etc?

Judges - We are now told that there are 1300 odd spaces left in Prison before its full? Should we double the prisons and also remove all teh facilities to make it a place you DONT want to go?

Wigger Culture - How to address this? Apprentiships? More social funding?

Parenting - THIS ONE FUCKS ME OFF!!! Where were the parents of these kids? Why dont parents take responsibility and accountability of their kids? If ANY of my two boys were to act like this, in fact if they ever even swore on the road to an anyone without very bloody good reason - theyd get a slap - plain and simple. Going back to my era - which was only 15 years bk when I was a teenager - I would never even dare speak to a cop in a rude manner let alone tell him to fuck off. Why? As thats not how I was brought up - but more importantly my DAD would have kicked my ass.

Youth - We seem to see a lot of these say they have no opps? Let if we profile the looting and shops - we can perform some basic trend analysis on what kind of products were the most popular - so it wasnt really about Opps was it?

Police - Why were they so slow to respond and why did they let the looting go ahead? Who was in command to let this happen? I dont get this bit. The Government is getting some flack on this and will do on still going ahead with the cut to Police - but does anyone agree with them in terms of cutting?

few things that stand out there KP would be that i suspect the cops are told not to go in or are too fearful to do so for a few reasons.

1. health n safety of the officer

2. they aint aloud to say just go in swinging and batter the sh!t out of looters like they should so just stood there

3. most of the new police recruits i see are all 5 foot fuk all skinny boys and tiny soft girls that couldnt handle themself in a tussle anyways. only able to give a bit of lip to people when handing out a ticket. not like the coppers of old that were 6 foot strapping big men with physical prescence that could throw you about

4. police cuts up erere are already effectign hte police on the street. my mate (a 5 foot fuk all skinny new recruit) is a cop in one of the roughest areas in glasgow. there is supposed to be 6 cars out in the area and they now only have two most of the time and are severely understaffed, low moral and are not gettign the paperwork done as they are supposed to so he is having to keep a diary of reasons why he doesnt. he used to do it on his own time if he had none on shift but now refuses with all the cuts.

Firstly I want to say that this is only my opinion and that I would have to agree that I only see this from my prospective .

US Chap - The systems are totally different and i cant see he will have any major impact . However a fresh set of eyes - especially one not tainted with years of experience ( often people do things because its always been done that way ) can only be a good thing .
ACPO are a joke to most working Police officers and their opinion is worth little to them . They are in the main out of touch

Riots from a street officers prospective


We are trained in public order tactics . The vast majority of these involve dispersal of groups as locking up rioters takes officers off the streets and hence you are less effective .
In this case there was a need to disperse some groups but also arrest others . I dont think this was recognised quick enough in London but then again you need a serious amount of officers to arrest these numbers - having enough officers for a riot and having enough to ARREST all the rioters are two totally different things .

Officers do not want to just stand there and wanted to get this sorted but

1) You are there risking injury
2) If you make a mistake then there is a possibility you could go to prison and lose your job-home-family etc etc

The press have not backed the Police up for years and so what officer in their right mind would stick their head above the paraphet when sky news have a camera in their faces !! Who else works in these circumstances


The majority of the looters were the non working , no respecting , no working shite Officers deal with on a daily basis . In the main they feel that the state owes them whilst they give nothing back .
The Police have known about this " class " for generations but the press seemed to have ignored their existence . Now it seems that the cat is out of the bag , the rats are out the sewer and the lefty middle class balls you here from social workers , youth workers , liberty etc has been shown for the nonsense it is .

For me the issues are

- generations of families who do not work
- Politicians constantly talk about "Your community " without acknowledging that the underclass are a criminal Community with its own rules
- Sentences are pathetic . Being arrested is no deterrent
- You can get more heavily fined at court as a middle class driver on a driving offence than as a burglar or thief
- the image of the police has been erroded by Politicians, newspapers and by the actions of corrupt officers and the level of criticism reached such heights that they became slow to act as every decision was checked and rechecked


I have no idea where this will lead next but at least the public have a better understanding of the scum we deal with

As the week and day goes on and Cameron talks about our "broken society" i want to punch him more and more.

Cameron and his cabinet have no clue about our broken society. they are all wealthy and have never lived, breathed or hardly even set foot in the popr areas of the uk. they have not the first idea and are not fit nor have the knowledge to fix the problem

You don't have to have been born in a sty to recognise a pig Rab.

Labour has created and fostered many of the problems, but then again Blair was loaded as well.

Cameron is a wanker tbh, much prefer Boris to be in charge

You can put blame on Government and MP's all you want but the honest truth is that the real responsibility stops with the general public. It's up to us to demonstrate to this minority that we will not stand for their lack of respect and pull them up whether it be from something as simple as littering up to public disorder.

I agree Alex, but the Goverment has allowed this to continue by supporting feckless scum

Agree with Alex - we all know whats right and whats wrong - some just need a little excuse to do things that we wouldnt normally do

Saying that - we made a big fuck up when we got rid of the App scheme - and hence why we saw the skills drain in Building trade....

It is happening again in IT - I can not for love nor money get skilled technical people at enterprise level - why? As we spent the last 10 years building India's outsourcing economy!?! Has anyone seen one person actually mention this in the current job market? The UK and USA have shifted 100's of thousands of Jobs to India - if we kept them here - the net effect of spending power and local jobs would have been enourmous! Yet noone seems to want to mention this in Government? Why ?

I have to agree with Rab on the Tory comments - Cameron has been a bit of a let down and it seems Hague seems to be very weak for some unknown reason. Ever since the rumoured homosexual comments in the press with Hague - it seems he has no byte.....not sure whats happened there

Labour without a doubt have been responsible for alot of what we see here - and I hope they do not come back in to power as its the same people!! Red Ed just looks like a 18 year old 6th Former prefect! He hasnt a clue about society!

Maybe its time for a Society Government - where normal ppl start thinking about making a change/difference?

simon m wrote:You don't have to have been born in a sty to recognise a pig Rab.

Labour has created and fostered many of the problems, but then again Blair was loaded as well.

Cameron is a wanker tbh, much prefer Boris to be in charge

That's just cliché though mate.

I mean...the armed forces minister should clearly have experience in the armed forced him/herself to fully understand issues and know how the military works from experience...not from what they got taught at oxford in their PPE degree. The Education Minister should clearly have some form of experience in education.....reading stuff in a book is not the same as doing/living/breathing something.

The point I was getting at wasn't in sole relation to the Tory's its to the whole of the political class now. they are all almost exclusively going through university doing a degree in Politics, Philosophy and Economics then going straight into some advisory role and being a career politician with no real world experience, prior employment in the private sector earning real money , gaining life experience and real knowledge...they are just all (including all the labour political class of today) born into money, privately educated so sheltered from the real issues faced by the majority of the British population, go to a top university then go straight into politics

SO no, you dont need to live in a sty to know a pig but as I say...that's just a cliché when you look at the crux of the issue in our politics. There is no real substance to our politicians I don't think. Cameron needs people around him who have came from humble beginnings and lived/breathed poverty, depravation, hardship and have real answers to the problem and real solutions. Not just sh!tty sound bites from a bunch of people who are among the 0.1% of the most privileged in the world saying we have a "War on gangs" and "fix our broken society". Give us peace please!

I don't disagree Rab, but most people have to be rich to be in Politics from [private income etc., so you get people from wealthy backgrounds as I get paid more than MP's and I wouldn't take a pay cut to do their job.