Pingu wrote:I haven't been banned and am most distressed about that. What have I done wrong?!!

to small a penis......... going off big Si's post

Pingu we used to keep a list here of everyone that was banned from MP. Everyone on the list was very very proud of this

I wouldnt want to encourage such behavior but if you hand over your user name and password, then someone i hold in high regard int he trolling stakes will sort you out with a pretty quick ban

Cleaver is the man for the job

Rab wrote:Pingu we used to keep a list here of everyone that was banned from MP. Everyone on the list was very very proud of this

I wouldnt want to encourage such behavior but if you hand over your user name and password, then someone i hold in high regard int he trolling stakes will sort you out with a pretty quick ban

Cleaver is the man for the job

As MP monitor this board, you could be banned already!

Exactly.

Better strike fast!

QUick Pingu. Pass over the password to we post pictures of our bangers

PMSL!

simon m wrote:As MP monitor this board, you could be banned already!

No such luck Si. I think they are not banning me just to upset me. I might just give Cleaver my user name and password at this rate!

roadz wrote:Also, I find that the new posters ask for advice and are sucked in by the likes of NU and then they feed this information on to the next generation of new posters... It's bollocks!

He near enough rules the roost now, just because he spams out with thousands of articles, it makes me cringe when the newbies seem to fall for his ideas, when really he's a rambling psychopath (and don't worry i'm not one to just take the mick behind peoples back, i've told him as much directly...and had my posts deleted!)
It's one of the only reasosn i've stuck around really, to provide an alternative viewpoint to get the person thinking before they go on a high fat diet or whatever.
Really he should be banned as he has ruined the forum (i've also suggested this directly), it's impossible for someone to post anything that's not a praise for a high fat diet and having a good discussion before he spams the thread with quotes from weston a. price or whatever.

roadz wrote:RC has however changed his views and I do respect him for this.

Thanks,
Well, we've all made mistakes in our past, believing that the high fat diet was good was one of my biggest.
It's actually been ages since i was involved in the high fat diet (about 2 years), i was often promoting paleolithic style eating but people presumed i meant drinking cream, bacon and minced beef after being associated with nu's take on nutrition.

Anyway, my views have changed and so has my physique.

Thanks,
Well, we've all made mistakes in our past, believing that the high fat diet was good was one of my biggest.
It's actually been ages since i was involved in the high fat diet (about 2 years), i was often promoting paleolithic style eating but people presumed i meant drinking cream, bacon and minced beef after being associated with nu's take on nutrition.

Anyway, my views have changed and so has my physique.

Thats how we develop and improve on ourselves by making the mistakes and, most crucially, learning from them. You'll always see those that train and gain or improve are constantly changing their views and ideas ever so slightly making more and more modifications to their model as the learn more and evolve. However on the flip side you'll also notice those that don't train or don't develop will continue to tout the same old rubbish.

Us high fatters aren't all the same! I eat hig fat/low carb, but then again I train and I'm certain it wouldn't work if I didn't. I also carb up on the weekends, so it's essentially the anabolic diet. I'm pretty much done posting on MP, nothing interesting comes up, everything has been done to death.

I'm more medium/medium but only as I'm a little less active on the Cardio side right now but I like to get a decent quota of EFA's in. My carbs tend to rise once I increase activity again. If I were purely training for conditioning only then no doubt I'd be swaying more towards lower carbs and moderate fats.

Alex wrote:I'm more medium/medium but only as I'm a little less active on the Cardio side right now but I like to get a decent quota of EFA's in. My carbs tend to rise once I increase activity again. If I were purely training for conditioning only then no doubt I'd be swaying more towards lower carbs and moderate fats.

The more intense sport you play, the more carbs you consume.

When I'm in a growth phase I just cannot stop eating meat and I'll snack on beef, chicken, fish throughout the day. When I was back into rugby, I was eating more carbs and leaning out due to the exertion of the game.

Dosn't really matter what you eat, if it works for you.

It's people forcing their view down your throat and telling your ways are wrong (even if they are working) that's the issue!

Personally i'm 40-45% carbs, 30% protein, 25-30% fats these days.
Calories /energy flux is a much bigger factor anyway!

Pain wrote:Dosn't really matter what you eat, if it works for you.

It's people forcing their view down your throat and telling your ways are wrong (even if they are working) that's the issue!

I think your body tells you what you need by food cravings and you tend to gravitate towards those foods you need to perform and an optimum level.

In rugby, carb replenishment is taken very seriously, but the current vogue is to be low carb at all other times. I'm not sure that this is right, as the one solution fits all approach does not take into account the differences between people.

the body gets diseases from eating carbs, when are you going to learn- high fat is the future

Rab wrote:Its over moderated to feck mate, and the high fat dont train club rule the roost. REAL people wh train and get REAL results are just idiots that dont know what their talking about on there

90% of the main posters on here were once all main posters on the MP forum but all left for that reason.....some left on their own, some got banned, some got banned so it made them leave and they couldnt post any more even if they wanted to

I was banned after refusing to moderate when MP refused to rain in Nu & his views. My concern being that youngsters would (and have) follow this ethos. The final nail in my coffin was when I informed the MD he was egotistical- BOOM BANNED!

julesm wrote:the body gets diseases from eating carbs, when are you going to learn- high fat is the future

Proof please.

simon m wrote:In rugby, carb replenishment is taken very seriously, but the current vogue is to be low carb at all other times. I'm not sure that this is right, as the one solution fits all approach does not take into account the differences between people.

Well, the main issue that is given for carbohydrates is the insulin release, people see that insulin throttles back lipolysis and will think that having insulin means you won't burn fat.
Basically what's important is calorie balance, if you burn more calories than you eat your body has to take calories from fat/muscle stores and obv in positive calories the opposite happens.
Nu seemed to think you could gain weight on a negative calorie balance if it was highly insulinogenic??? ... physically impossible.

This has been confused with the nock-on effects of highly insulinogenic foods (blood sugar crash, reduction of metabolism, increased hunger and therefore eating) as opposed to more steady eating. (this is why someone eating brown rice + veg dosn't suffer the same fate as someone eating sweets)

The advantagdes to being low carb is to control blood sugar, or have issues with satiety on high carb diets (which can be solved in other ways anyway), but it does nothing for keeping lean over higher carb, isocalorific diets.

On a higher carb diet you'll only get fat if you are in calorie excess, carbs can be utilized for energy easily or converted to fat, it's just an energy source like fat.
People will often think there is some 'magic' to a low carb diet or whatever, even to the point where they think you can eat more calories than you burn and stay lean, there is no magic.
Body mass and energy expenditure should control appetite in the healthy body, if this system is out of whack then you'll start getting fat.

In my opinion it's misplaced effort, instead one should focus on getting a sensible, enjoyable diet that provides a full range of nutrients, a correct calorie intake and suitable foods for that person.
The governments advice (with a few slight tweaks) isn't really that bad, taking into account it's not designed for training individuals or those after a high level of health and fitness.
If you're a paranoid anti-establishment conspiracy theorist then of course you're going to promote exactly the opposite.

Brown Rice and Veg is my staple, even when on higher carb so not such an issue. I also start using Na-RALA with carby meals to reduce insulin response when I do increase carb intake.

I'm pretty much isocaloric. My macros vary daily but all stay in the 25-40% range. Daily variance keeps my body guessing and allows a much more varied diet with never needing to worry about being 50g short on protein or 20g over on fats.

RoB wrote:Us high fatters aren't all the same! I eat hig fat/low carb, but then again I train and I'm certain it wouldn't work if I didn't. I also carb up on the weekends, so it's essentially the anabolic diet. I'm pretty much done posting on MP, nothing interesting comes up, everything has been done to death.

same here. follow near enough the same.

julesm wrote:the body gets diseases from eating carbs, when are you going to learn- high fat is the future

there is truth to that - and i think you may have posted that in jest - but seriously there are indications that high carbs do promote diseases as they directly provide and feed cells.

Pain wrote:

simon m wrote:In rugby, carb replenishment is taken very seriously, but the current vogue is to be low carb at all other times. I'm not sure that this is right, as the one solution fits all approach does not take into account the differences between people.

Well, the main issue that is given for carbohydrates is the insulin release, people see that insulin throttles back lipolysis and will think that having insulin means you won't burn fat.
Basically what's important is calorie balance, if you burn more calories than you eat your body has to take calories from fat/muscle stores and obv in positive calories the opposite happens.
Nu seemed to think you could gain weight on a negative calorie balance if it was highly insulinogenic??? ... physically impossible.

This has been confused with the nock-on effects of highly insulinogenic foods (blood sugar crash, reduction of metabolism, increased hunger and therefore eating) as opposed to more steady eating. (this is why someone eating brown rice + veg dosn't suffer the same fate as someone eating sweets)

The advantagdes to being low carb is to control blood sugar, or have issues with satiety on high carb diets (which can be solved in other ways anyway), but it does nothing for keeping lean over higher carb, isocalorific diets.

On a higher carb diet you'll only get fat if you are in calorie excess, carbs can be utilized for energy easily or converted to fat, it's just an energy source like fat.
People will often think there is some 'magic' to a low carb diet or whatever, even to the point where they think you can eat more calories than you burn and stay lean, there is no magic.
Body mass and energy expenditure should control appetite in the healthy body, if this system is out of whack then you'll start getting fat.

In my opinion it's misplaced effort, instead one should focus on getting a sensible, enjoyable diet that provides a full range of nutrients, a correct calorie intake and suitable foods for that person.
The governments advice (with a few slight tweaks) isn't really that bad, taking into account it's not designed for training individuals or those after a high level of health and fitness.
If you're a paranoid anti-establishment conspiracy theorist then of course you're going to promote exactly the opposite.

Sums up how I see it exactly. also worth mentioning is the relationship between glycogen storage and fat storage - if in calorie excess, and glycogen stores are totally full and you feed up with lots of carbs then unless you immediately use carbs for activity you are only going to store them as fat - nothing else the body can do with them.

If however you eat carbs roughly to the peak of your glycogen storage capacity but curtail it roughly there (most people who experiment with diet find this point fairly instinctively i think) then fat storage from carbs isn't going to be much of aan issue at all. I think a combination of keeping fairly active and moderate carb content of diet is pretty much danger free so long as those carbs are mostly healthy.

I agree with the roughly equal macros approach. I don't count macros daily at all but have had pretty much the same diet for a few years now and it's pretty much 30/30/30 with a floating 10%. Have tried higher fat, higher carbs and higher protein and this is definitely the breakdown that seems best all round for me.