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Postby kp1512 on Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:04 pm

Big debate on another board about MILK.

Whats peoples thoughts on it?

Arguments ranged from it being the food for growth to it being bad for the digestion and only certain people can consume it to get the effects?

How many people here drink Milk?
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Re: Milk

Postby health4ni on Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:08 pm

I like the taste of milk.

But it's not good for you... long term. Maybe right now it's fine for helping growth. But you'll pay for it in a few years.

And when you think about it, drinking the milk of another animal is a bit odd. Aren't we the only creatures that do that?

http://www.gotmilk.com/ vs http://www.notmilk.com/
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Re: Milk

Postby kp1512 on Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:12 pm

health4ni wrote:I like the taste of milk.

But it's not good for you... long term. Maybe right now it's fine for helping growth. But you'll pay for it in a few years.

And when you think about it, drinking the milk of another animal is a bit odd. Aren't we the only creatures that do that?

http://www.gotmilk.com/ vs http://www.notmilk.com/


How will we pay for it? Since I can remember we have been drinking milk - some people since birth to later years. From the 1930's to 1990's Milk was free at school/Nursery and was a big part of diet - why is it bad now?

It is REALLY bad or are people just assuming its bad due to sparing incidents of illnesses? Is there any research / data to suggest its bad other then from the anti-milk brigade?
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Re: Milk

Postby health4ni on Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:22 pm

It triggers lots of allergies, probably due to it's acidity in the body. We're not meant to drink milk from any other animal except humans.

If you're gonna drink it then go raw. At least it has more good stuff in it.

All I know is that when I went off it (and my wife & my clients) I felt better and less bloated.

The consumption of dairy produce is more closely correlated with coronary heart disease than any other food group.

Cows milk allergy is not only extremely common, especially among infants, it is also potentially dangerous, being associated with cot death and gastro-intestinal bleeding.

If that wasn’t enough, a growing body of scientists now believe that dairy consumption is contributing to osteoporosis, not preventing it.

Since the UK, which represents 20% of the EC population, consumes 40% of its dairy produce, drinking milk and eating dairy products in our current excessive quantities does not seem to be preventing osteoporosis.
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- Heart attacks, strokes, & high blood pressure: 6 times more heart attacks in milk drinkers.
- Cancer: breast, ovarian, prostate, lung cancer all dairy linked
- Leukemia viruses: 20% of all cows carry leukemia viruses that can infect humans
- Hormone residues: menstrual problems, osteoporosis
- Pesticide residues: linked to cancer, chronic fatigue, infertility
- Antibiotic residues: 30 to 80 different antibiotics cause chronic resistant infections

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Re: Milk

Postby Will on Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:38 pm

I've read on an increasing level that low fat dairy products are actually good for you and you aim for 3 helpings a day.
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Re: Milk

Postby health4ni on Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:43 pm

Low fat dairy products will use semi-skimmed or skimmed milk. The skimming process will oxidise the cholesterol contained in the milk. And oxidised cholesterol is the bad kind. Very bad.

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Re: Milk

Postby Will on Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:17 pm

I thought the way they produced 1% and 2% milk is by adding powdered milk to it. It was the powdered milk that was suspected to contain oxidised proteins but in fact powdered milk process doesn't produce nitrates which in turn with the oxidisation process produces increases in cholesterol. At any rate the amount of cholesterol in the powder would be negligible. If this is no the case then fair enough. But if you have a good diet with plenty of antioxidants and so on with exercise, I think cholesterol build up via milk is a little silly to sorry about. I'd rather drink a litre of milk a day than have a kfc every day.
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Re: Milk

Postby Bison on Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:28 pm

I don't think there's anything wrong with milk itself.... it's all the crap they do to it after it's left the animal that ruins it.
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Re: Milk

Postby kp1512 on Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:38 pm

Bison wrote:I don't think there's anything wrong with milk itself.... it's all the crap they do to it after it's left the animal that ruins it.


possibly. thats why they say you should drink beer!
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Re: Milk

Postby health4ni on Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:42 pm

Will wrote:I'd rather drink a litre of milk a day than have a kfc every day.
Oh for sure, so would I. But I can go without both too.
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Re: Milk

Postby kp1512 on Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:47 pm

health4ni wrote:
Will wrote:I'd rather drink a litre of milk a day than have a kfc every day.
Oh for sure, so would I. But I can go without both too.


well i think your both a pair of nancy boys!

Id have both everyday! KFC for Lunch and Cold litre of Milk as Afters!

Pft! Call yourself tough!
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Re: Milk

Postby the_cheshirecat on Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:49 pm

health4ni wrote:And when you think about it, drinking the milk of another animal is a bit odd. Aren't we the only creatures that do that?


Actually, there are loads of reports of orphaned cubs/pups nursed by lactating mothers belonging to oter species.
If you extend the concept to eggs (that are designed to feed the embryo while it develops, same as milk for mammalians), there's plenty of animals that eat other species eggs.
So no, we are not the only ones.
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Re: Milk

Postby Alex on Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:56 pm

As the saying goes, "milk is for babies".

Once we reach the age where we can eat purely solids then there is no more need for milk.
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Re: Milk

Postby kp1512 on Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:57 pm

Alex wrote:As the saying goes, "milk is for babies".

Once we reach the age where we can eat purely solids then there is no more need for milk.


not even breast milk?
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Re: Milk

Postby Alex on Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:58 pm

kp1512 wrote:
Alex wrote:As the saying goes, "milk is for babies".

Once we reach the age where we can eat purely solids then there is no more need for milk.


not even breast milk?


Sorry, pervertions excluded :)
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Re: Milk

Postby Will on Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:05 pm

How can you make porridge, ice cream, cheese and cakes, and have cereal etc... wtihout milk?! It's too good not to have - ok so it's not the most nutritious thing, but it's lovely! :D
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Re: Milk

Postby Alex on Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:18 pm

Don't eat them?

Oats you can do with water.

I'm not a fan of the stuff anyway so it doesn't bother me although I'd still have some other treats that include it.
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Re: Milk

Postby the_cheshirecat on Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:56 pm

health4ni wrote:I like the taste of milk.

But it's not good for you... long term. Maybe right now it's fine for helping growth. But you'll pay for it in a few years.

And when you think about it, drinking the milk of another animal is a bit odd. Aren't we the only creatures that do that?
http://www.gotmilk.com/ vs http://www.notmilk.com/


We're also the only animal with opposable thumbs to milk other animals, my dog loves both goats milk and cows milk, cats also like cows milk so its the thumb thing thats odd not milk ;)

I think its pasterization thats the issue not milk it self.
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Re: Milk

Postby GymBunny on Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:50 pm

I have to say the difference in taste and how I feel between fresh unpasteurised milk and this pasteurised homogenised CRAP is unbelieveable. I used to be able to get it from a local farmer here and back home living on a farm it was never an issue. Now I am stuck with the supermarkets. The stuff is vile. No bloody wonder people get ill from it.

I am not lactose intolerant or allergic to anything other than taturine, which is not natural anyway.

Almond milk is brilliant but can't get it here for love nor money. Rice milk...well, it has just conditioned me to drinking my coffee black.
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Re: Milk

Postby Ader on Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:53 pm

GymBunny wrote:Almond milk is brilliant
That wouldn't work for me! Almonds and me don't mix - Puke city time - and marzipan...just a whiff makes me retch
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Postby Ader on Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:57 pm

health4ni wrote:http://www.gotmilk.com
What an incredibly irritating site :x
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Re: Milk

Postby Will on Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:57 pm

Alex wrote:Don't eat them?

Oats you can do with water.

I'm not a fan of the stuff anyway so it doesn't bother me although I'd still have some other treats that include it.

What's the point of life if you don't do things you enjoy?

Sod that - give me my dairy based products baby! :D

Besides we've survived drinking milk for over 100 centuries so I'm not likely to stop now ;)
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Re: Milk

Postby Alex on Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:03 pm

I'd probably enjoy the effects of snorting coke but it doesn't mean I neccessarily should do it.

Anyway I'm happy with having the small amounts found in desserts etc.
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Re: Milk

Postby GymBunny on Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:18 pm

Alex wrote:I'd probably enjoy the effects of snorting coke but it doesn't mean I neccessarily should do it.

Anyway I'm happy with having the small amounts found in desserts etc.


LMAO! That's hysterical Alex! :lol:
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Re: Milk

Postby Will on Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:24 pm

Alex wrote:I'd probably enjoy the effects of snorting coke but it doesn't mean I neccessarily should do it.

Anyway I'm happy with having the small amounts found in desserts etc.


Now you're being ridiculous mate :p How can you compare milk with coke?! Or are you just taking the piss? :twisted:
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