Anyone do this?

Layinbg straight and flat on your back on the floor?....Interested to see if anyone rates them...never done them...but have to potential to be a very good movement?



KP

id get clatty if i did that im my little gym. my gf would batter me when i got home!

what would be unique about the stress this would place on the biceps?

Rab

Rab wrote:id get clatty if i did that im my little gym. my gf would batter me when i got home!

what would be unique about the stress this would place on the biceps?

Rab

I have no idea what that meant!

kp1512 wrote:

Rab wrote:id get clatty if i did that im my little gym. my gf would batter me when i got home!

what would be unique about the stress this would place on the biceps?

Rab

I have no idea what that meant!

clatty ..aka...boggin..aka...mocket...aka ....dirty

Lying Cable Curls should in theory prevent the cheating that most people do when they perform cable curls. Of course you could still cheat and bring the shoulders into play and thus raise the elbows to help the curl.

imo there's better exercises for the biceps... plus you won't look like a tool by laying on the ground lol

health4ni wrote:Lying Cable Curls should in theory prevent the cheating that most people do when they perform cable curls. Of course you could still cheat and bring the shoulders into play and thus raise the elbows to help the curl.

imo there's better exercises for the biceps... plus you won't look like a tool by laying on the ground lol

Not bothered about that bit to be honest..I care less what others thing when I train so thats a non issue tbh.

In terms of other movements...what would you say are the best?

Obv

Barbell \ EZ Curls
Spider Curls
Hammer Curls
DB\Alternate - never had much success with these for some reason!

KP

KP

Bodydrag curls, preachers, dumbell curls and cable triceps/biceps supersets work well for me.

seated incline db curls
zottman curls on a preacher bench
spider curls are good
ez bar on a preacher bench
one-arm bb preacher curl
pull-ups/chin-ups

many more, but they're my personal choice

not much standing these days; too much cheating takes place.

simon m wrote:KP

Bodydrag curls, preachers, dumbell curls and cable triceps/biceps supersets work well for me.

Yeh Im nearing my top weights on them now...just trying to think of throwing in something new and crazy...was thinking close grip pull ups......

KP

kp1512 wrote:

simon m wrote:KP

Bodydrag curls, preachers, dumbell curls and cable triceps/biceps supersets work well for me.

Yeh Im nearing my top weights on them now...just trying to think of throwing in something new and crazy...was thinking close grip pull ups......

KP

Kneeling close grip pulldowns to sternum with partials!

http://www.t-nation.com/article/bodybui ... ht_now&cr=

The DB incline curls are amazing! I've never had such a great burn & improvement in arm size.shape until I started this exercise. And you'll be very surprised as to the weight you lift... it's much lower than you'd hope for, so leave your ego at the door before dong this one.

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Honestly, I'm not just a walking talking Poliquin fanboy, but his stuff really works. I've been weight training for 15 years now and since doing Poliquin's stuff for the past 1.5yrs I've made much better gains & improvements. And I've tried lots of different methods/principles/exercises etc in the past. None seem to be as good as Charles's.

health4ni wrote:http://www.t-nation.com/article/bodybuilding/new_arm_size_right_now&cr=

The DB incline curls are amazing! I've never had such a great burn & improvement in arm size.shape until I started this exercise. And you'll be very surprised as to the weight you lift... it's much lower than you'd hope for, so leave your ego at the door before dong this one.

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Honestly, I'm not just a walking talking Poliquin fanboy, but his stuff really works. I've been weight training for 15 years now and since doing Poliquin's stuff for the past 1.5yrs I've made much better gains & improvements. And I've tried lots of different methods/principles/exercises etc in the past. None seem to be as good as Charles's.

Methinks you doth protest too much!

I'm not so much of a fan of Poliquin, but I come from a Rugby background and most good players dispise their coaches!

I think that there's a danger with all "gurus" that thye become more interested in their brand than anything else and what I've seen of him leaves me cold, but each to their own!

^^ lol

You despise the coach? Strength coach or tactical/player coach?

Sure, each to their own.

When you meet the guy and attend any courses he runs, then you really start to realise how great this dude is. I'm late the world of fitness professionals, but others who have been on the courses with me were not; some being in the game for 15yrs. And they believe he offers the best training and teaching principles. Things that really work. And better than any other teacher they've been with (Chek for example).

Sure he makes money from his brand; he is a business man after all. But if his stuff didn't work then people wouldn't pay for it. Olympic teams, world champions etc have been trained by Charles and his results seem clear enough to me.

Phil Richards is one of the most successful strength coaches in the UK and he discovered Poliquin's stuff late; but has since used it to great effect.

This is way off-topic I know

And I have a quiet day today what with having to wait for the BT engineer to come round and sort my phone line out after 3 months of trying! and with only a few clients this evening I thought I'd relax a little; I don't mean to appear to be spamming the board

Coaches make you train hard in the freezing cold and get you up early to do loads of horrid things!

Quite frankly anyone with innate natural talent needs very little coaching, just some direction, but we overcoach the things that are not important.

As an example, if you are an elite sportsman, you shouldn't spend too much time on fitness work with your coach, this is something that you should do in your own time. What you should be doing is thinking and analysng much more. Ball skills and thought processes need to be coached, but it's much easier to monitor strength and fitness levels.

Rugby is a sport where you see different people doing the same thing time and time again, because the coaching manuals and thoughts are pretty much even throughout all teams. What you actually need with well motivated people is to training them to antipate and react to the unexpected much more.

The drills you should do are great fun, like Rugby Netball and they improve fitness and skills far beyond the traditional methods.

If you look at the last Rugby World Cup, NZ on paper were unbeatable, but they didn't have the collective sporting intelligence to react to the unexpected and were destroyed by the French. Same goes for England & Australia.

I think that we need to make basic skills and thinking the core of all coaching as fitness and strength will improve regardless.

So endeth my rant!

I think you make some good points...and Pol does know his stuff...I think he is a character where some like him and some dont due to his percieved arrogance?.....Maybe rightly so as he delivers the goods?...Tough call!....But he def knows his stuff...Id agree there!

KP

Try DB Curls kneeling down. Started these again recently and now curling the 30's.

Cable fininshing curls are also good. either pump them out or squeeze and hold with fists touching your head before releasing on each rep.

I've not tried the laying cable curl posistion, only upright bracing the elbows against me knees but i pump up too quickly.

Have used the laying position for front rasies when training shoulders to good effect.

I currently have a wrist injury that prevents me from curling with a straight bar or e-z bar. Doesnt hurt on any other exercise other than curls.Currently doing DB curls,hammer curls and concentration curls.Anyone got any different bicep excercises i can try? Was hoping to get over 20" arms this year but without straight/E-Z curls dont think ill do it.

Jake wrote:I currently have a wrist injury that prevents me from curling with a straight bar or e-z bar. Doesnt hurt on any other exercise other than curls.Currently doing DB curls,hammer curls and concentration curls.Anyone got any different bicep excercises i can try? Was hoping to get over 20" arms this year but without straight/E-Z curls dont think ill do it.

Train really heavy on back days

Can you do chins?

Yep,do them with 20kgs round my waist too! Not bad for someone tipping the scales at 18 stone now!

Cool, not bad at all.

You may be able to manage Cheat BB Curls but with a twist.

You'll need to use the parallels for a Squat Rack to rest a BB on.

Then try an adjust the height of a bench with plates under so when sitting and holding the bar to curl your forearm is just below parallel. Curl up and down resting on the parallels or initiate a little bounce.

Gonna try these out next week.

i shall give it a try! thanks

kp1512 wrote:Anyone do this?

Layinbg straight and flat on your back on the floor?....Interested to see if anyone rates them...never done them...but have to potential to be a very good movement?



KP

I've done these. They're great when done as the last exercise in a workout...and not just because you're lying down!! Although this does help, for the same reasons you're stronger seated rather than standing. Also as mentioned it's easy to keep your shoulders out of the movement.

I use these all the time .
Due to injury I have had to find exercises that are kind to the elbow joint . Cables allow the bar to turn in your hands and hence keep the stress of the joint .

I tend to do them sat down . You can isolate the bicep and use constant tension .

Im not accepting this " free weights are always best " bollocks . I find this is one of the things people say at MP just because everyone else does . Its a typical response of the cut and paste brigade . Slagging off an exercise before you've tried it for a few workouts is something MDF et al tend to do .

With a standard curl the resistance is poor beyond 45 degrees . With cables there is constant tension .

You get an amazing pump from these and I tend to do them at the end of a workout with rest/pause reps at the end of the set . IF anyone thinks these are a soft exercise they should try this .

Rant over .

Gym-pig wrote:I use these all the time .
Due to injury I have had to find exercises that are kind to the elbow joint . Cables allow the bar to turn in your hands and hence keep the stress of the joint .

I tend to do them sat down . You can isolate the bicep and use constant tension .

Im not accepting this " free weights are always best " bollocks . I find this is one of the things people say at MP just because everyone else does . Its a typical response of the cut and paste brigade . Slagging off an exercise before you've tried it for a few workouts is something MDF et al tend to do .

With a standard curl the resistance is poor beyond 45 degrees . With cables there is constant tension .

You get an amazing pump from these and I tend to do them at the end of a workout with rest/pause reps at the end of the set . IF anyone thinks these are a soft exercise they should try this .

Rant over .

I agree with you GP. Cables shouldn't be neglected for the bodybuilder - cables are not machines. You can overload the muscles in ways you can't with a db, placing greater overload at the point in a lift where you're strongest....the perfect adjunct to db's. I miss not having cables as I now train at home, which is why I'll be getting a similar set-up as you have this year.

Cables certainly have their place in BB circles for asthetics but relating to "real" strength there's no replacement for using free weights.

For isolation, recoupration from injury, detailing etc then they are excellent and have their place. As mass builders, not so much with the exception of a Rope Pull Down or V-Bar Push Down.