What I found, and I think pretty much what everyone experiences is that you can re-do your top weight...faster and it also doesnt feel like you just did a set with your main weight......thats how I can summarise its effects........it MUST have a pathway to regenerating ATP SOMEHOW?..I could be way off.....but because it hasnt been researched enough..it truely is a mystery in some sence....

What I find about OKG is the fact that it reduces recovery rate and is anti catabolic. You feel so much more refresghed when taking at night. I also take on waking and pre and post training.

This is the stuff the England Rugby team was taking in mega doses to aid recovery during the world cup.

It also more intense training as you recovery better and this aids strength.

Supplement Reviews

Ornithine (OKG)


OKG is a combination of the amino acid ornithine and alpha-ketoglutarate (AKG)—Chemically speaking, it is actually two molecules of ornithine and one molecule of AKG combined. OKG seems to be involved in protein synthesis and can act as a precursor to other amino acids including L-glutamine and L-arginine. AKG is a glutamine pre-cursor and may have a "glutamine sparing" effect in muscle tissue leading to more available glutamine. This may be a side benefit of using this product as glutamine (the most abundant amino acid in muscle tissue) has many benefits to athletes including boosting immune function, cell volumization, supporting protein synthesis, and aiding in glycogen replenishment. OKG may even help boost growth hormone levels which can help support lean muscle mass gains. It seems to increase insulin levels but this needs to be better studied (maybe that is why some people who take OKG report increased appetite). One study actually showed a 20-30 % increase in insulin levels with a 10 gram daily dose. OKG has been studied in burn victims and other trauma patients and shown to be quite effective in enhancing clinical recovery. It was even shown in one study to significantly improve wound healing! Although not completely clear, it seems to work by increasing growth hormone levels, increasing protein synthesis, and reducing protein breakdown. OKG can be considered an anti-catabolic nutrient. It seems to counteract lowered immune function that can result from trauma or high stress. Most of the research on OKG showing any benefits uses around 10 grams daily which is a fairly high dose. The best time to take OKG is during periods of highly intense training or during times of stress. Taking 5 grams after a workout and 5 grams 30 minutes before bed time can be beneficial. The pure OKG powder is best unless you want to take a lot of pills. OKG can also be found as an additive nutrient in some protein powder products.

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Perhaps the strength you guys have been noticing could also partly be due to its aiding in glycogen replenishment.

kp1512 wrote:Ive still not tried BA...Im holding out..till I need that boost with something new...

I wouldn't really rate it for weights tbh... great stuff for cardio though. Just my view of it. I doubt I'll buy it again.

I found BA had a tendency to make me feel a bit tired and almost drowsy if trying to load in the day.

Find it fine for both weights and cardio.

ash fletcher wrote:Supplement Reviews

Ornithine (OKG)


OKG is a combination of the amino acid ornithine and alpha-ketoglutarate (AKG)—Chemically speaking, it is actually two molecules of ornithine and one molecule of AKG combined. OKG seems to be involved in protein synthesis and can act as a precursor to other amino acids including L-glutamine and L-arginine. AKG is a glutamine pre-cursor and may have a "glutamine sparing" effect in muscle tissue leading to more available glutamine. This may be a side benefit of using this product as glutamine (the most abundant amino acid in muscle tissue) has many benefits to athletes including boosting immune function, cell volumization, supporting protein synthesis, and aiding in glycogen replenishment. OKG may even help boost growth hormone levels which can help support lean muscle mass gains. It seems to increase insulin levels but this needs to be better studied (maybe that is why some people who take OKG report increased appetite). One study actually showed a 20-30 % increase in insulin levels with a 10 gram daily dose. OKG has been studied in burn victims and other trauma patients and shown to be quite effective in enhancing clinical recovery. It was even shown in one study to significantly improve wound healing! Although not completely clear, it seems to work by increasing growth hormone levels, increasing protein synthesis, and reducing protein breakdown. OKG can be considered an anti-catabolic nutrient. It seems to counteract lowered immune function that can result from trauma or high stress. Most of the research on OKG showing any benefits uses around 10 grams daily which is a fairly high dose. The best time to take OKG is during periods of highly intense training or during times of stress. Taking 5 grams after a workout and 5 grams 30 minutes before bed time can be beneficial. The pure OKG powder is best unless you want to take a lot of pills. OKG can also be found as an additive nutrient in some protein powder products.

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Perhaps the strength you guys have been noticing could also partly be due to its aiding in glycogen replenishment.

I get a MASSIVE hunger surge 30 mins or so after 5g+ of OKG and have often thought it must be very insulinic... am cautious about using it away from workouts for this very reason.

Using NA-RALA along side OKG I think should dumb down the insulin effect.

KP know's a bit more on this than I.

only thing I can say is that whilst on a Keto id doesnt kick me out (as it shouldnt, but a high rise in insulin has been known to do just that). It is insulinogenic but I beleive arginine is 2twice that....

KP

I wonder, does anyone else experience this kind of hunger?

Am not exaggerating but for me it's almost as intense as when I had rediculous hunger when my thyroid was going crazy...

Hmm i guess i shouldnt use OKG while low carbing then?

Marks1972 wrote:Hmm i guess i shouldnt use OKG while low carbing then?

No, you can....just make sure that you get protein with it.