Just survived heart attack at age 38

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Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby kp1512 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:47 pm

this was on another board ...and im also seeing alot of people now in the late 30's having issues with hearts etc who have used gear for a while.....interesting

Just survived heart attack at age 38, follow up to Phil's post
Just when I was feeling great and looking just about better than ever I had a heart attack. It happened on July 18th, so it has been a bit over 3 weeks.
I felt healthy and looked great, on the outside at least. I was maintaining my bodyfat below 10% no problems, thanks to Phil's guidance. Working out 6 days a week and doing 20 minutes or more of cardio 4 or 5 days a week.
I did use AAS off an on for about 8 years or so. It is not possible to point the finger specifically at AAS and say they were the cause, but it would be ignorant to ignore it altogether.
I had blood tests run at least 2x per year, sometimes more. My LDLs were always low, but HDls were very low too. Had a HDL reading of 17 when I was admitted to the hospital right after the attack. Back in January I had a hematocrit reading of 62, and realized that was a problem. I was able to get that down to 50 by donating blood and cutting back on what I was using. The cardiologist doest not think the hematocrit had anything to do with the attack, since it had been under control for almost 3 months or more. MOre tests will be run on the clotting cascade and to test for factor 5 disorder.
I was doing squats at the gym when the heart attack happened. I had just finished doing 3 sets of squats. 455x12, 405x13, 365x14. After racking the weight on the last set I felt really dizzy and sat down. After sitting for maybe half a minute I broke out in a cold sweat and my heart was beating rather fast. I didnt think too much of it though because Ive felt similar many times in the past when I push really hard on squats. Been lifting since I was 16, so over 20yrs now and Ive felt sick enough in the past that I have thrown up. So i figured I had just pushed it too hard. I quit the workout and drove home at 9:30 pm. I rested at home hoping to feel better. I developed a heartburn feeling and took some antacids and 3 aspirin just to be safe if it was the heart. At 4am I realized it wasnt going to go away and I had my wife drive us all to the hospital. Had to drag my 6 and 4 year old daughters along.
They did an ekg and angiogram after that ,since the ekg showed signs of heart attack.Angiogram showed 100% blockage of my right coronary artery. they used an angioplasty type surgery where he used a mini "vacuum cleaner" like tool to suck out the blood clot. I had develped a large clot blocking blood flow.
I was in ICU from Friday until tuesday night, so almost 5 days. They had to pump me full of dopamine to get my blood pressure up. My heart was beating so weakly that my pressure was hovering at around 60/35. Once they got my systolic pressure up to 80 without being on dopamine they released me from intensive care. I then spent one day in a regular room and was sent home.
Not sure at this time how well my heart will recover. I will know more in 3 weeks when an ultrasound is done of my heart. After that heart attack my ejection fraction was down to 40%, so thats not really low. I am hoping for the best.
The cardiologist is telling me I can never lift as hard I as was, just lift light weights. Very hard for me to take this. My plan is to take it one day at a time and build up slowly. I am not ready to accept this, and cant see how he can make such a broad statement about my future since he hasnt even looked at an ultrasound of my heart after its had time to heal. Of course when I told him I was taking steroids I got the full lecture and he blames the entire episode on it. He did say that he has had 3 other young men like me have heart attacks, all bodybuilders on steroids. He is a young doctor too, about my age or slightly older so he hasnt been at it very long. Surprised me to hear this. He doesnt seem like the kind of guy that would lie either, he is very straight forward.
MAIN REASON I AM WRITING THIS IS TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING, TO CONSIDER THE RISKS WE TAKE WHEN WE ARE DOING AAS. I THOUGHT I WAS USING SAFELY AND HAD BLOOD TESTS DONE,BUT THINGS STILL WENT WRONG. I HAD NEVER EVEN COMPETED BEFORE, WAS PLANNING ON DOING A CONTEST IN MARCH 09 BUT THAT IS ALL OVER NOW. LOOKNG BACK, THE BENEFITS FOR ME OF USING AAS DID NOT OUTWEIGH THE RISKS. OF COURSE I DID NOT KNOW THAT, BUT NOW IT IS TOO LATE. I LET MY OBSESSION WITH BUILDING A MORE MUSCULAR BODY BECOME A PRIORITY OVER MY FAMILY. NOW I REALIZE THAT THIS WAS UNFAIR TO MY WIFE AND TWO LITTLE GIRLS. THERE IS A CHANCE NOW THAT MY HEART MAY HAVE BEEN DAMAGED ENOUGH THAT I WONT BE ABLE TO LIFT LIKE I USED TO EVER AGAIN. I PRAY THAT THIS IS NOT THE CASE, AND I HAVE NOT GIVEN UP HOPE. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BLAME STEROIDS ENTIRELY, SO DONT TAKE THIS POST AS JUST ANOTHER ANTISTEROIDS CAMPAIGN. JUST TAKE SOME TIME TO STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. THINK ABOUT WHY YOU USE AAS AND WHAT YOU HOPE TO GET OUT OF IT. CONSIDER THE RISKS WE TAKE, ESPECIALLY WHEN USING AAS THAT ARE PRODUCED IN UNDERGROUND LABS. THIS IS ANOTHER THING TO BE CONSIDERED, SINCE WHEN USING THESE SUBSTANCES YOU DONT ALWAYS KNOW 100% WHAT YOURE GETTING AS FAR AS PURITY ETC.
My goal now is to recuperate and get back to being a better father and husband. To be natural and bodybuild like I used to. Since I wont be using AAS anymore, be able to accept that I wont grow much larger than a lean 225 lbs at 6 foot tall. There is a lot more in life that is more important.
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Craig on Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:02 pm

kp1512 wrote:this was on another board ...and im also seeing alot of people now in the late 30's having issues with hearts etc who have used gear for a while.....interesting



Its never the whole story though is it? Is it gear or poor diet and gear, or would it of just happened anyway?
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby kp1512 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:27 pm

Craig wrote:
kp1512 wrote:this was on another board ...and im also seeing alot of people now in the late 30's having issues with hearts etc who have used gear for a while.....interesting



Its never the whole story though is it? Is it gear or poor diet and gear, or would it of just happened anyway?


hard to say mate but I am seeing alot of posters stateside coming out now with alot of issues...but Yes I would strongly assume that there usage was high and was silly.......but its just the iceberg mate.....those ppl that were say 20-25 back on 98 etc when boards we just hitting popularity are now obv bearing the fruits [or noit] of some really bad cycling......
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby GymBunny on Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:14 am

Actually it makes me wonder how much cardio these guys did.

All their weights went up with gear but if they were not developing the cardiovascular support system then it does not surprise me at all they've had heart related problems.

Obviously my knowledge of AAS is considerably less than you guys so maybe I'm completely off, but that's my take on it all.
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Tartulho on Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:45 am

A screwed up lipid profile and probably a poor cardiovascular health, along with a pig-out diet during bulks. But it is easier to blame AAS and to collect the insurance money this way :D
All that I say is hypothetically speaking and I do not condone the use of illegal substances. You should also eat your vegetables and use high SPF sunscreen :roll:
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby marcus300 on Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:35 am

10years ago i thought i had a heart attack, i was rushed in with all the syptoms, after aload of test,ecg's and blood test they found it to be my RBC, it was very very high and my blood had trouble flowing through my viens especially my heart, with all the syptoms of a heart attack i also thought i was in trouble this time but thaankfull it wasn't... I had to have some blood taken out to level up the RBC and had a sports doctor called in to have word with me and advice them on whats the best option for a guy like me. It was so funny when they took my shirt off in A & E i was huge and ripped at the time and they didnt know what the hell to do, so funny at the time looking back and all they kept saying is what is it your taking....anyway this issue was due to running to many cycles together with little time off for a long time which increased my RBC.....the sport doctor talked to me and he did say, there are alot of bodybuilders having problems with their heart and its increasing over time, makes you wonder!! but one thing is for sure steroids are fine and a great addition but abusing them for to many yrs will produce sides what could harm you or cause serious problems in later life or even young life....
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby kp1512 on Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:10 am

Tartulho wrote:A screwed up lipid profile and probably a poor cardiovascular health, along with a pig-out diet during bulks. But it is easier to blame AAS and to collect the insurance money this way :D


Have to agree with this, anotehr post few months back was from a guy that also had a similar issue. And Id seen this guy over the years post his cycles and his general way of doing things and it was crazy! Many also delude themselves in NOT taking time off. This latter bit is the biggest issue...people lying and saying they are off when they arent.......and it's themselves they kid.
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby kp1512 on Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:10 am

marcus300 wrote:10years ago i thought i had a heart attack, i was rushed in with all the syptoms, after aload of test,ecg's and blood test they found it to be my RBC, it was very very high and my blood had trouble flowing through my viens especially my heart, with all the syptoms of a heart attack i also thought i was in trouble this time but thaankfull it wasn't... I had to have some blood taken out to level up the RBC and had a sports doctor called in to have word with me and advice them on whats the best option for a guy like me. It was so funny when they took my shirt off in A & E i was huge and ripped at the time and they didnt know what the hell to do, so funny at the time looking back and all they kept saying is what is it your taking....anyway this issue was due to running to many cycles together with little time off for a long time which increased my RBC.....the sport doctor talked to me and he did say, there are alot of bodybuilders having problems with their heart and its increasing over time, makes you wonder!! but one thing is for sure steroids are fine and a great addition but abusing them for to many yrs will produce sides what could harm you or cause serious problems in later life or even young life....


Marcus - RBC?
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Rab on Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:15 am

Red blood count

Sheesh!!!! :roll:

Ever used EPO Marcus?
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby kp1512 on Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:20 am

Rab wrote:Red blood count

Sheesh!!!! :roll:

Ever used EPO Marcus?


well excuse me and call me mary!
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Rab on Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:21 am

kp1512 wrote:
Rab wrote:Red blood count

Sheesh!!!! :roll:

Ever used EPO Marcus?


well excuse me and call me mary!


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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby GymBunny on Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:38 am

kp1512 wrote:
well excuse me and call me mary!


Well this explains a lot Mary!
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Resurrected on Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:42 am

kp1512 wrote:
Rab wrote:Red blood count

Sheesh!!!! :roll:

Ever used EPO Marcus?


well excuse me and call me mary!


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The site was promised time and again
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby marcus300 on Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:50 pm

Rab wrote:Red blood count

Sheesh!!!! :roll:

Ever used EPO Marcus?

No, i haven't but an increase in RBC's is good for bodybuilders and atheltes but its when its becomes to much it can be a huge problem.
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Tartulho on Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:56 pm

Boldenone increases RBC, mainly above 600mg/week. It could be an option if someone is wanting to increase aerobic capacity and add muscle.
All that I say is hypothetically speaking and I do not condone the use of illegal substances. You should also eat your vegetables and use high SPF sunscreen :roll:
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Tartulho on Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:56 pm

Rab wrote:Red blood count

Sheesh!!!! :roll:

Red Blood Cell :mrgreen:
All that I say is hypothetically speaking and I do not condone the use of illegal substances. You should also eat your vegetables and use high SPF sunscreen :roll:
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Alex Wheatman on Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:11 pm

Here is a fact for you.
Each year total deaths in the u.s:
Smoking:750,000
Alcohol:450,000
Steriods:4

A&E list of treatments due to steriod use.........no. 126

I'm not saying that they are or aren't good for you, its the same with everything. Look at the side effects of too much Vit C.
Headaches
Vomiting
Viginal discharge
Artiral fibulation

The list goes no.
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Marks1972 on Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:55 pm

Bigger, Faster, Stronger Alex? :)
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Alex Wheatman on Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:35 pm

:? Maybe :oops: :oops:

Not only that all you have to do is think about the amount of people you know that are given them by there Doctor.

Asthma, heart disease, strokes it goes not. I know that was in there as well but it is true.
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Ader on Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:29 pm

Alex Wheatman wrote:Look at the side effects of too much Vit C.
Headaches
Vomiting
Viginal discharge
Artiral fibulation

The list goes no.
Can't say I've had an viginal discharge form ODing on Vit C :) All the rest though ;)
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Tall on Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:04 pm

@KP - Was that the guy who posted on ProMuscle about JW's SHiC thread...?
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby Alex Wheatman on Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:41 am

Ader wrote:
Alex Wheatman wrote:Look at the side effects of too much Vit C.
Headaches
Vomiting
Viginal discharge
Artiral fibulation

The list goes no.
Can't say I've had an viginal discharge form ODing on Vit C :) All the rest though ;)


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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby kp1512 on Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:46 am

Tall wrote:@KP - Was that the guy who posted on ProMuscle about JW's SHiC thread...?


Yeh - I only just read the JW post on ProMuscle - interesting but damn thats alot of test! 7g's or so?
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby burningnun on Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:30 am

is vaginal discharge a bad thing?
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Re: Just survived heart attack at age 38

Postby upright on Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:40 am

burningnun wrote:is vaginal discharge a bad thing?


It was a running comedy in the 80s. Rik, Ade and Ben all loved VD.
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