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James Llewellin - Diet and Supplements...

Postby kp1512 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:24 pm

Very interesting reading about his Gear usage as well......at

http://www.ukiron.net/showthread.php?t=4368

Today is Thursday 27th December 2007.

Weight this morning was 14st 4lbs or 91kgs.

THIS IS WHERE IT ALL STARTS!!

Day 1 of the diet and 'real' prep started this morning at 6.25am with 60 mins of cardio using a combo of 40 mins on the x trainer and 20 mins on the tread.

Today is a training day and below is listed what I have eaten and will be eating plus all the supplements I am using and when they are taken.

6.00am ECA stack, 200mcgs T4, 1.5g CEE, 10g L-Glutamine

6.25am CARDIO 60 mins

8.00am 80g oats, 60g total protein, 20g natural peanut butter, 50g banana. 1 total performance am pack, 10mgs winstrol, 25mg proviron.

9.00am Protein Slam

9.30am TRAIN Shoulders/Triceps

11.45am Administer 10iuGH/10iusSlin

12.00pm 55g impact whey isolate, 10g peptide bonded glutamine, 70g WMS, 1.5g CEE

12.15pm 1 Pro flapjack

1.00pm 200g chicken fillet, 70g brown basmati rice, mixed veg, 5g extra virgin olive oil. 1g vit C, 2g CLA, 400iu Vit E, 10mgs winstrol

4.00pm Same as 1pm meal, Total performance pm pack, 25mcgs T3, 25mg proviron

7.00pm Same as 1pm meal, 500ius HCG

10.00pm 80g oats, 60g total protein, 20g natural peanut butter, 10mgs winstrol

10.30pm 10g L-Glutamine, 3x ZMA capsules

All supplements used are Myprotein except the Protein slam and Pro flapjack which are from the CNP range

So thats about it and will be the same for most training days. The only thing that may be missing is the HCG as this is taken E3D and just so happens to coincide with my training day today.

Shoulders went well today and so did triceps. I felt strong in the gym again today and as always got a great pump.

The pics below were taken yesterday after cardio and before meal 1 (yes I did do cardio on xmas day and Boxing day!)

Pleased with where I am at just under 10 weeks to go. You will have to excuse the fact I am pearly white but I will be starting the MT11 in the next week or so.

I am vascular throughout my body already and the majority of the fat tissue is really only located at the tie ins including glutes/hams and lower back (kidney area).

I feel upbeat today in the knowledge the diet has at last started and I can re focus, re group and bring to Colombus an improved package from the British in Oct


Originally Posted by maxititer View Post
thanks .. first class info ... to hear what real people do, worth more then reading 10 bodybuilding books
... you said you are using 5 IU of insulin PWO, what kind of drinks do you use PWO with insulin.

remarkable that you are on only 250 mg of test per week.

one more question, you doing cardio early at the morning after GH, do you eating something too, or just crardio on empty stomach. Seems like you don't feel that it can be a problem to do cardio at morning when cortisol too high, or perhaps GH helping here.

thanks again for sharing you experience ...wish you all success.
Hi,

Thankyou.

I am now doing 10ius of slin PWO with 10ius of GH. I have WMS a little sucrose and also whey Isolate and glutamine peptides.

I am now upping my test to 750mgs EW and 30mgs of oral winstrol daily as my diet started today.

I eat nothing prior to cardio and now I do no GH prior to cardo just PWO. I do have 10g of L-Glutamine prior to cardio.

I will post my diet as of today which is my training day diet and will post my non training day diet tomorrow. I will also post up starting pics of where I am now with around 9-10 weeks to go until the show.

regards


Mesomorph's 'Off' season diet plan and training split.
As I was asked in the photo section to outline my diet/training split etc, here it is.

I am currently in a strange phase of my competitive year. Normally I would now be at a point where I would have finished my competitions and now be entering my rebound phase.
This was to be the case except for the fact that I have now been asked to compete at the Amateur Arnold Classic in Colombus, Ohio at the end of February and represent the UK and the UKBFF.

So it was a choice of getting big and out of shape or staying leanish and then just having an 8 week diet starting pretty much after xmas. I chose the latter option as the shorter the diet the better.

I also had the dilemma of coming off AAS for 6-8 weeks or staying on a very low dose with the addition of a peptide cycle to try to keep me slowly growing and keeping the BF lowish.

Again I opted for the latter.

The only thing which hasn't had to change is my training split. My off season is always spent training hard, intensely and infrequently 3 days on and 4 days off a week (mon, wed, fri with the weeknds off too)

As with my diet leading into the UKBFF British Champs, I have been assisted by a good friend and nutritionalist, Paul Booth. Paul has helped me gain over 20lbs in 18 months with his various diet protocols and it was he that came up with my diet over the next 8-10 weeks and he will also assist me after xmas in the diet proper leading up to the Arnold.

My current diet is split into 2 distinct parts: training days and non training days.

Training Days are as follows:-

Protein 330g, Carbs 300g, Fats 130g

Non training days are:-

Protein 330g, Carbs 250g, Fats 150g

These are each split over 6 meals with 1 of those meals on a training day being my PWO shake.

Meal times tend to be the same every day.

Meal 1 8am

Meal 2 11am-11.30am (PWO on training days)

Meal 3 1.30pm

Meal 4 4.30pm

Meal 5 7pm

Meal 6 10pm

I also have added another meal at around 2am which is not included in the macros stated above (25g protein, 25g carbs and 10g fat). This is the same whether it be a training or non training day. I always wake starving during the night!!!

With the addition of the peptide cycle I have had to shift around my fats on training days and now meals 2 and 3 are void of any fats but these are spread amongst the other 4 due to the intake of 5ius of insulin PWO 3x a week.

A typical days food on a non-training day would be as follows:-

Meal 1 100g oats, 70g propeptide, 30g peanut butter

Meal 2 4 whole eggs, 2 slices of wholemeal toast, 30g of whey (or100g chicken)

Meal 3 250g chicken, 50g basmati rice, selection of veg, 15g virgin olive oil

Meal 4 Same as meal 3

Meal 5 150g chicken, 100g salmon, 50g rice, selection of veg, 10g virgin olive oil

Meal 6 70g oats, 70g propeptide, 30g peanut butter


Meal 7 at 2am 35g oats, 35g propeptide, 20g peanut butter (same on both days)


A typical day on a training day would be as follows

Meal 1 100g oats, 70g propeptide, 30g peanut butter

Meal 2 60g whey isolate, 60g WMS/vitargo, 10g peptide bonded glutamine, 5g CEE

Meal 3 250g chicken, 70g basmati rice, selection of veg.

Meal 4 same as above plus 25g extra virgin olive oil

Meal 5 150g chicken, 100g salmon, 350g boiled pots, selection of veg, 20g extra virgin olive oil

Meal 6 80g oats, 70g propeptide, 35g peanut butter.

So thats it as far as food goes. Once a week I will have a cheat meal normally including chips and steak but no pudding. Cheating for me tends to be on complex carbs, fats and protein. I find sweets just spike my insulin and cause me very quickly to store a lot of fat and water and this phase I am wanting to stay lean. Normal off season would see a few treats of cheesecake etc every week.

Foods may vary but as long as the numbers add up at the end of the day I am not worried if some meals are more and some are less.

I take my nutrition super seriously and even take my scales to my parents house so I can weigh out my sunday dinner!!!!

Supplements are as follows during this phase

Multi vit/min
ALA
CLA
CEE
Peptide bonded glutamine
Whey isolate
Vitargo
Vit C
Pro peptide

Peptides

Mon 5ius gh/50mcgs igf (6am) 5ius gh/5ius Novo rapid (11.30am)

Tues 5ius gh/25mcgs igf (6am)

Weds Same as mon

Thurs Same as tues

Fri Same as mon

Sat and sun 5ius gh (6am)

All shots are done I.M in the muscle about to be trained or just having been trained.


So for eg:- I train chest on a mon so would shoot my 6am peptides in my chest and again after training.
On the tues I would again shoot my chest at 6am.

Weds I would shoot my 6am peptides in my lats and again after training.
On thurs I would shoot my lats again at 6am

And so on.....

At the moment I am also running 250mgs of test enanthate EW taken on a monday
T3 is supplemented ED at 25mcgs taken with my 6am peptides.


As for my training, short and sweet sums it up

Cardio is performed 6x a week (mon-sat) for 30 mins (pre meal 1 at 6.30am) at a HR of 120-125BPM on xtrainer and incline tread (15 mins each)

I feel cardio is essential even during the off season to help metabolise all of that food plus it keeps the endorphins flowing and the BF in check. Its win win all round!!

I am only training chest, legs (concentrating on hams esp) and back (width only) in this phase. Arms are too big and shoulders will get hit with a few sets after back (rears and sides)
Calves get hit every 2 weeks.

My sessions last no longer than 45 mins for the larger bodyparts (back and legs) and 30 mins for chest.

Sets will vary but will consist of a maximum of 10-12 sets for chest, approximately 20 for legs (hams and quads) and around 12-15 for back. This includes warm ups. I will do 3-4 exercises for chest, 4-5 for back, 2-3 for quads and 3-4 for hams. Calves (when trained) will be hit by 3 exercises of 3 sets.
Reps vary between 10 and 20 depending on the muscle group. Quads up to 20, chest up to 12 or poss 15, back between 10-15 and calves between 10 and 20.
I am very instinctive with my training and have no set pattern to it. I change the order of exercises each week tho and throw in some negative and drop set work every so often.

Hope this helps and gives you an insight into what i am currently doing.

I am 3 weeks into this diet now and these pics were taken on sunday this week and my current body weight is 13st 13lbs at a height of 5'4"

Any questions i will gladly answer.

regards

James
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Re: James Llewellin - Diet and Supplements...

Postby Tartulho on Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:19 pm

Very very interesting. There are many things I concur completely, like low Testosterone dose, low T3 dose, HGH + Insulin, peptides and hCG. The use of hCG will by itself increase Testosterone to a very acceptable levels, the low T3 dose is a safe approach and enough to compensate any possible T3 decrease by AAS and HGH use and the use of HGH + Insulin is a winner combination (IGF-1 production). In the end, he uses Winstrol which is one of the few AAS that can bind to the Microsomal Receptors (MRs) and that will induce further fat loss.

Very interesting post KP, virtual reps for you :D
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Re: James Llewellin - Diet and Supplements...

Postby kp1512 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:52 pm

It makes alot of sense on this trend..I was exchanging PMs with a dude on another post closer to a few of the Pro's and again, he said the same thing....

Low dose Test off seaon, IGF pre workout pinned in muscles and clean good food...and t3

then 20 weeks out, BANG!...tren, 15 iu HGH, 1500mg Test, etc......and you can imagine what the hell happens.....

Plus if you remember or see Jay Cutlers training video youll notice his high carb approach and obv the Insulin bottles in his fridge!.....kind of just makes sense now...

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Re: James Llewellin - Diet and Supplements...

Postby Rab on Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:52 pm

holly smokes! i never realised how complicated the aas use was at that level! i thought that was reserved for MR Olympia

what kind of money is involved in all of that gear?

insulin
hgh
winstrol
test

ps - what HCG?

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Re: James Llewellin - Diet and Supplements...

Postby kp1512 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:04 pm

simplified, HCG helps gets your balls working again and helps get them back to size...

cost wise.....its not as much as youd think nowadays with prices for gear so low....but Id imagine due to the crackdown in the USA prices have risen there.. the costly out of those you quoted, is HGH...but even then majority now use the chinese version which work out at about £1-£2 per IU....

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Re: James Llewellin - Diet and Supplements...

Postby Wardie on Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:56 pm

The guy is looking in very good shape though, I can see him doing pretty well!

He's got pleanty of mass and is really cut.
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Re: James Llewellin - Diet and Supplements...

Postby kp1512 on Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:03 pm

Wardie wrote:The guy is looking in very good shape though, I can see him doing pretty well!

He's got pleanty of mass and is really cut.


I was looking at the lineup yday...I thought the other....I dont think he will do well some of the dudes are looking bloody awesome!...I hope that is not the case!....we need a fellow Brit back in the higher ranks!

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Postby SCOTT GALTON on Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:10 pm

where is the line up? Can you post a link pleasexx
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Postby Wardie on Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:21 pm

Yeah i've not seen the lineup either :)
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Re: James Llewellin - Diet and Supplements...

Postby kp1512 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:53 pm

Its on MD overviews

This thread is good..Lee Priest and Flex commenting on James

http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/s ... hp?t=19630
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Postby Alex on Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:30 pm

A great thread.

It's a shame that something similar hasn't run on MP and show the maturity thats lacking.

Wouldn't surprised me if he out grows them pretty soon.
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Postby kp1512 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:34 pm

Alex wrote:A great thread.

It's a shame that something similar hasn't run on MP and show the maturity thats lacking.

Wouldn't surprised me if he out grows them pretty soon.


To be honest I have NO idea why he signed for them.....but should he even break Top 7, hell be sought after...as his height and mass ratio is immense...and hell def be a promotable person and he seems a decent guy....the best thing I like is his frankness on his use, and his approach and his humbleness....not seen that in many people!

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Re: James Llewellin - Diet and Supplements...

Postby Alex on Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:48 pm

kp1512 wrote:
Alex wrote:A great thread.

It's a shame that something similar hasn't run on MP and show the maturity thats lacking.

Wouldn't surprised me if he out grows them pretty soon.


To be honest I have NO idea why he signed for them.....but should he even break Top 7, hell be sought after...as his height and mass ratio is immense...and hell def be a promotable person and he seems a decent guy....the best thing I like is his frankness on his use, and his approach and his humbleness....not seen that in many people!

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Those same qualities may aslo hold him back potentially for sponsorship as companies like to give the impression that it's their supplements doing the work and not a combination of AAS and good genetics.
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Postby simon m on Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:07 pm

James is a bloody good bloke and MP are very lucky to have him on board.
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Postby kp1512 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:46 pm

Alex wrote:
kp1512 wrote:
Alex wrote:A great thread.

It's a shame that something similar hasn't run on MP and show the maturity thats lacking.

Wouldn't surprised me if he out grows them pretty soon.


To be honest I have NO idea why he signed for them.....but should he even break Top 7, hell be sought after...as his height and mass ratio is immense...and hell def be a promotable person and he seems a decent guy....the best thing I like is his frankness on his use, and his approach and his humbleness....not seen that in many people!

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Those same qualities may aslo hold him back potentially for sponsorship as companies like to give the impression that it's their supplements doing the work and not a combination of AAS and good genetics.


Agree with you....I guess its about what he wants...

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Re: James Llewellin - Diet and Supplements...

Postby cleaver on Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:04 pm

just got this PM from My Protein!

Hi mate,

Had to remove your suggestive line about aas, we don't want to discuss that on these boards in regards to James. For two reasons.

1) It isn't something that is best to discuss from a commercial view point.

2) Its a little unfair on James as most ppl couldnt get close to that with all the aas in the world. His training\diet is second to none!

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Postby kp1512 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:16 pm

ahh well just trying to protect there image....imagine if any of the commercial pages got hold of MP sponsoring a Steroid taking athelete?....Its just such a shady area to be honest....as the average Joe will just follow the path of "oh my god!"......dam if you do, dam if you dont!
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Postby simon m on Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:21 pm

I don't think that MP are out of line.

James has the genetics and works hard so why give the impression that roids are the only reason for his success.
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Postby cleaver on Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:22 pm

kp1512 wrote:ahh well just trying to protect there image....imagine if any of the commercial pages got hold of MP sponsoring a Steroid taking athelete?....Its just such a shady area to be honest....as the average Joe will just follow the path of "oh my god!"......dam if you do, dam if you dont!


very true.

All i said was

It must be all the MP supps you are taking


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Postby kp1512 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:24 pm

simon m wrote:I don't think that MP are out of line.

James has the genetics and works hard so why give the impression that roids are the only reason for his success.


Totally agree!...Outside of that its entirely his choice what he wants to say or doesnt....

Judging from what he uses...its clear that he does have the Genes for this...and he seems meticulous with his diet...so all the more respect to him I guess...

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Postby SCOTT GALTON on Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:14 pm

H e is a really good bloke and MP are very lucky to have got him when they did. As far as sponsorship i suppose with the range MP offer he can get whatever he wants for free.Id imagine when he becomes a pro a bigger company might offer him a lot more. Id imagine CNP would be interested as Paul Booth does his prep and he is opening a gym with John Hodgson once of CNP. However UK pro's often don't get great contracts like the guys in the states
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Postby kp1512 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:29 pm

SCOTT GALTON wrote:H e is a really good bloke and MP are very lucky to have got him when they did. As far as sponsorship i suppose with the range MP offer he can get whatever he wants for free.Id imagine when he becomes a pro a bigger company might offer him a lot more. Id imagine CNP would be interested as Paul Booth does his prep and he is opening a gym with John Hodgson once of CNP. However UK pro's often don't get great contracts like the guys in the states


None of the UK comps have a chance to be honest (maybe Maximuscle now)...if he knows how to play. makes an impact across the water, hell be way better off going with them....anything from $80,000 to $500,000, which is way better then free supplements from MP or any other UK sponsor........guess depends what he wants...

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Re: James Llewellin - Diet and Supplements...

Postby Mike on Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:31 pm

kp1512 wrote:
SCOTT GALTON wrote:H e is a really good bloke and MP are very lucky to have got him when they did. As far as sponsorship i suppose with the range MP offer he can get whatever he wants for free.Id imagine when he becomes a pro a bigger company might offer him a lot more. Id imagine CNP would be interested as Paul Booth does his prep and he is opening a gym with John Hodgson once of CNP. However UK pro's often don't get great contracts like the guys in the states


None of the UK comps have a chance to be honest (maybe Maximuscle now)...if he knows how to play. makes an impact across the water, hell be way better off going with them....anything from $80,000 to $500,000, which is way better then free supplements from MP or any other UK sponsor........guess depends what he wants...

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Contracts in the states are worth more because there is more of a market for it. If James was willing to move to the states and did well (like Flex Lewis) he would get picked up by a top company no doubt. Staying in the Uk isnt really an option if he intends on getting a big endorsement of some sort.

He uses more gh than I thought.
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Re: James Llewellin - Diet and Supplements...

Postby kp1512 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:59 pm

You reckon? I thought 10IU was on the OK side for his size and height....and he def reponds to it well.....Id say thats one of his secrets to his remarkable success....and what the likes of the rest are doing....off offseason, low amounts of test, and reduce HGH...and then just pound away....
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Postby Mike on Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:08 am

kp1512 wrote:You reckon? I thought 10IU was on the OK side for his size and height....and he def reponds to it well.....Id say thats one of his secrets to his remarkable success....and what the likes of the rest are doing....off offseason, low amounts of test, and reduce HGH...and then just pound away....


Yeah dont think its wrong. It clearly works! Just didnt expect a dose of 10iu daily! I think he uses alot of pharmecuticals for his size. But as you say it clearly works and he looks great. Probably why hes only been training for 4 years or so (read that somewhere?) and looks as amazing as he does.

Cost is also another issue, he must have money to burn!
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