Bison wrote:Guy I'm thinking of starting training with told me the cycle he's currently using:

Test Enanthate - 2ml twice a week?
Test Cipionate - 2ml once a week?
Trenbolone - can't remember dose

He was also taking Noldadex everyday as a precaution. He said he just uses HCG when he's finished the course. Is that enough??

- On another note there was another guy there using same except he wasn't using Nolvadex. He didn't look good at all, he had a bit of size but he had moob issues!!

Bison wrote:I'm a n00b with a crap memory... I'll come back later with something usefull eh??

Bison wrote:Exactly! Though I'm also trying to gauge just how much some of these lot really know

Bison wrote:Also another question I wanted to ask.

His gear is from Spain, called ROHM Labs. Heard of it? Good??

I am Sphinx.

First, id NEVER EVER recommend, or under any circumstance even consider to recommend a first timer utilize trenbolone, period. For that reason alone id keep that vial in your drawer for a future cycle. Trenbolone has one of the worst side effect profiles. its a really harsh steroid as far as steroids go. Its definetly not something you should play with your first cycle, if ever. Personally, im never touching that stuff again. I know guys who swear its like the best steroid ever, and I can see why theyd say that, but these same guys also acknowledge it gives some pretty nasty side effects. One of its worst side effects in terms of muscle growth is that it can give really bad insomnia. Your body does the majority of its growth while sleeping as other bodily functions are shutdown so the body has more energy/nutrients to utilize for other tasks, one of those being protein synthesis. Steroids that impact sleep can actually work against you.

Second, you should NEVER taper steroids. Its a huge myth and its rediculous. Pick a dosage for any steroid, and use that dosage the entire cycle. Dont change it every week, just dont.

For a first cycle, you ALWAYS want to keep it simple for the reason DEA said, to determine whats giving you what side effects. Its about understanding how your body reacts. I would never recommend a combo-product like what you have for a first or hell, even second cycle. Thats three dramatically different steroids that will give you a full spectrum of potential side effects that will be really hard to determine whats doing what, and to make matters worse, even if you do get a side effect and know what is causing it, theres no way for you to remove that specific steroid. Thats my major beef with combo products. Theyre good for advanced persons, but definetly not noobies. Also for a first cycle you will respond better than any future cycles. With that in mind, you should be aiming for as minimal side effects as possible. Thats usually found with the more mild steroids like methenolone and oxandrolone. Not known for packing on dozen+ pounds of mass in 2 weeks, but its your first cycle, you will respond best to these mild steroids.

Seriously, put that combo product away, its definetly not something you should consider using. Im not saying dont use steroids, but dont use THOSE steroids.

Third, you ALWAYS need PCT for ANY steroid at ANY dosage. Low dose clomid + tribulus terrestis + Himalaya Healtchares Speman would be a great PCT. Ill explain this further below.


If your hellbent on doing a cycle. Id recommend you do the following, last week listed is inclusive;

Anabolic Androgenics:
50mg/ed Oxandrolone weeks 1-8
10mg/ed Methandrostenolone weeks 1-8

Ancillaries/Supplements:
2 applications/ed Yohimburn ES weeks 5-8 (apply to abs)
6 tabs/ed Himalaya Healthcare LIV-52 weeks 1-10
A Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM/Hyaluronic Acid supplement weeks 1-10

Post Cycle Therapy:
50mg/ed Clomid week 9
1500mg/ed Tribulus Terrestis weeks 9-12
4-6 tabs/ed Himalaya Healthcare Speman weeks 5-12

REPLY from other user:
You should always include test in any cycle. It needs to be the base whether your a first time user or an experienced user.

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except unless you wanna avoid side effects...

test is definetly in the top 3 of the worst side effect ridden steroids used.

test-free cycles are becoming more and more common as people become more and more concious of the side effect profile for supraphysiological levels of testosterone.

Personally, im never using test again. It destroyed my body by giving me uncontrollable amounts of body hair on every square inch of my skin. Ive spent well over $3000 dollars on laser hair removal and electrolysis and im still only 75% fixed from the damage test did to me in that regard. Not worth it. In essence, ive paid $3000 ontop of what the steroids cost, just to acheive my physique. Couldve saved $3000 and still acheived the same physique, had I just omitted all potent androgens, mainly, testosterone.

Its just Oxandrolone and Primobolan for me now, maybe some Equipoise too. Aint no way im ever touching another even mildly androgenic steroid, and regrow all the body hair ive blown major cash on just having removed. If id ever use such, itd be at very very low dosages, for example id never go over 10mg of Dianabol if I was to use it again.

Plus, something rarely spoken of to newbies, is stretch marks. Honestly, everyone wants to grow as fast as they can, but that shouldnt be the goal, because you grow too fast and you end up one ugly fucker with stretch marks. Physique perfections about more than just muscle size. And those dont go away easy. Ive been getting laser skin resurfacing for years on stretch marks that dominated my hips, my legs grow way to well, even before I ever used steroids, I developed stretch marks on my hips, steroids made them much worse.

Also, alot of people dont realise how much test builds up in your system when using esters. Its incredible. Even 500mg/wk of Test enanthate, by the end of a 12 week cycle, you've probably got 5+ grams worth of test running through your system thats built up. Say hello to side effects.

This explains why bros can use really low test doses, say 100mg/wk of test E, and still get remarkable results with alot less side effects.

Im definetly going to start promoting much lower test dosages for people, or test free cycles altogether. I used to be a heavy promoter of test in every cycle, but years of use and a recent lookback at it, I just dont see the point. Its about risk:reward, and I think the ratios are out of whack for test.

Oxandrolones the steroid of kings. You dont grow insanely fast so fast that you develop stretch marks, the gains are really lean, the muscles become ROCK solid, the steroid itself promotes fat loss, great strength gains, no bloat, no noticeable androgenic effects, no noticeable estrogenic effects, isnt able to convert to dihydrotestosterone via 5-alphareductase enzyme thus sparing you more androgenic side effects, accelerated hair loss, and prostate enlargement, and is the most popular steroid amongst females and for good reason, it also is oral, and has very little liver toxicity and thus can be used for virtually any length of time, and is a superb mood booster. The perfect steroid in my opinion.

Craig wrote:Theres lots of bad info on the net mate, it just doesn't tally with reality.

That uys probably back on test anyway

Max wrote:Thoughts opinions?

Dtlv74 wrote:

Max wrote:Thoughts opinions?

A question more than a thought or opinion... why the GH? With all that other stuff what does it offer that the rest doesn't?