From how I've been reading and understanding it then the "less is more" approach is a good one to take with gear. So no stacks for a first run, just keep it simple and run a test only course first time?

PCT does confuse me but again as I understand it things like Clomid and Nolva are very toxic themselves? I'd be looking to keep that down to a minimum aswell?

HCG along side your course, then 2 weeks after your last test injection Week 1 Clomid & Week 1-4 Nolva? Would that be ok?

Bison wrote:From how I've been reading and understanding it then the "less is more" approach is a good one to take with gear. So no stacks for a first run, just keep it simple and run a test only course first time?

PCT does confuse me but again as I understand it things like Clomid and Nolva are very toxic themselves? I'd be looking to keep that down to a minimum aswell?

HCG along side your course, then 2 weeks after your last test injection Week 1 Clomid & Week 1-4 Nolva? Would that be ok?

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Bison wrote:From how I've been reading and understanding it then the "less is more" approach is a good one to take with gear. So no stacks for a first run, just keep it simple and run a test only course first time?

PCT does confuse me but again as I understand it things like Clomid and Nolva are very toxic themselves? I'd be looking to keep that down to a minimum aswell?

HCG along side your course, then 2 weeks after your last test injection Week 1 Clomid & Week 1-4 Nolva? Would that be ok?

im in two minds on this now. I think the first cycle is going to give a serious shock to the body - and so as long as you eat well [none of this lean gain bullshit - in fact if you are going to do it dont do the cycle] and cover the basis - youll put on a serious amount of size with something like Test/Dball. In hindsight - id have done

Test 500mg week 1-12
Dball Week 1-5
Anavar Week 6-10
PCT

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Bison wrote:From how I've been reading and understanding it then the "less is more" approach is a good one to take with gear. So no stacks for a first run, just keep it simple and run a test only course first time?

PCT does confuse me but again as I understand it things like Clomid and Nolva are very toxic themselves? I'd be looking to keep that down to a minimum aswell?

HCG along side your course, then 2 weeks after your last test injection Week 1 Clomid & Week 1-4 Nolva? Would that be ok?

im in two minds on this now. I think the first cycle is going to give a serious shock to the body - and so as long as you eat well [none of this lean gain bullshit - in fact if you are going to do it dont do the cycle] and cover the basis - youll put on a serious amount of size with something like Test/Dball. In hindsight - id have done

Test 500mg week 1-12
Dball Week 1-5
Anavar Week 6-10
PCT

Tottally agree.

Isn't Dball quite harsh though?

I haven't got round to reading about Anavar yet so not a clue...

Bison wrote:Isn't Dball quite harsh though?

I haven't got round to reading about Anavar yet so not a clue...

No mate - alot of what we known before about 17aa was overhyped. BUT if you have preexisting issues then yes. But taking someting like Liv52,NAC and Milkthistle for like 15-20 weeks - you be lucky if the renal values move much.
Same with Var