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HIIT / Interval / Fartlek

Postby Mike on Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:07 am

Why is it all of these are the same thing yet people talk about them as if theyre different? I've been doing what I consider 'interval cardio' for a while now....1minute high intensity 2-3mins low I'll do that for 20mins then the rest of the session is steady pace....

Now when I talk to bodybuilders they're like "oh your doing HIIT cardio". When I talk to other athletes (rugby players etc) they say "oh your doing intervals" then when I talk to athletic athletes they say "oh your using the Fartlek principle".

Interestingly athletics havnt heard the term HIIT, rugby players etc havnt heard the term Fartlek and so on.

So why is it that in certain industries information gets recycled, renamed and credit for such 'inventions' is misplaced? Or am I totally off? :shock:

I think I may be simplifying it but the only real difference to me is Fartlek tends to be a bit quicker?

http://www.davedraper.com/hiit-cardio-training.html

http://www.davedraper.com/interval-card ... ption.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fartlek

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Re: HIIT / Interval / Fartlek

Postby Ader on Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:16 am

The real difference to me is true fartlek is unstructured - Intervals tend to be a structured routine - eg do 10 x 400m on track - each 400 in 64 sec with 2 min rest in between.

Fartlek is more - Let's go on a 5 mile run and do some speed work as and when we feel like it - eg jog off then suddenly decide to sprint from next lampost to end of road- let HR drop/get breath back then pick something else to do eg sprint up the hill round the corner etc etc - That for me is true fartlek :)
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Re: HIIT / Interval / Fartlek

Postby SCOTT GALTON on Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:20 am

watever you call it. Its hell :o
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Re: HIIT / Interval / Fartlek

Postby Rilla on Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:39 am

Fartlek is swedish and means "speed play/game". The principle is very different from intervals/HIT (which is basically the same though HIIT implies that intensity is high). It also involves changing direction, elevation and sometimes even running backwards. :)
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Re: HIIT / Interval / Fartlek

Postby Mike on Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:09 pm

Ader wrote:The real difference to me is true fartlek is unstructured - Intervals tend to be a structured routine - eg do 10 x 400m on track - each 400 in 64 sec with 2 min rest in between.

Fartlek is more - Let's go on a 5 mile run and do some speed work as and when we feel like it - eg jog off then suddenly decide to sprint from next lampost to end of road- let HR drop/get breath back then pick something else to do eg sprint up the hill round the corner etc etc - That for me is true fartlek :)


From what I know thats the nail on the end. But fundamentally still all seems the same to me (maybe I'm being too simplistic)..just a bit more specific

Same sort of thing struck me when I was reading about German Volume Training the other day...10 reps, 10 sets, 1 exercise. Fast forward to today and we have FST-7 which is fundamentally the same thing, just less volume with some straight sets added in. Hany Rambod even says it doesnt have to be 7 sets, however many your comfortable with. So why is he claiming it for himself?

bewilders me.

Is it just me who thinks that to make a name for yourself in this industry you need to a)establish yourself over time as a consistant acheiver and b)find a product/idea that works, put a little twist on it, rename it and get famous for it?

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Re: HIIT / Interval / Fartlek

Postby Rorschach on Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:58 pm

The cynic in me totally agrees, Mike. There're a lot of people out there who think "new" is better, just because they see it as being cutting edge.
Fashions come and go, people will always pay extra for something that throws around words like "cutting edge" or "new and improved". Oh well, occasionally they learn something useful, like they did with Fartlek. ;)
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Re: HIIT / Interval / Fartlek

Postby Ader on Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:23 pm

My understanding is that the Swedes used fartlek training (don't recall when but some time ago) in the build up to an olympics and their ong distance runners had great success.

As I said before, fartlek, as originally used, was quite unstrctured, but the concept post the games in question was taken up elsewhere and inevitably people decided to do stuff that was more structured - Not surprising a structured training day is much easier to get your athletes to do and you can also use a structured approach to guage prgress better than an an unstrutured approach - Other than results in an actual race itself - So the structured approach inevtiably became the norm and the original fartlek felll out of fashion - But off season, fartlek is great fun!

Using speed work of any kind will help get you used to lactic acid build up both psycoligically and, more importantly, the body's ability to buffer the lactic acid chemically. - If you've ever had real lactic acid tie up at the end of a race - 400m - 1500m are the worst imo - you'll understand why you need to train your body to buffer it as much as possible.

As generally this type of training regime wasn't used before the Swedes did it, it's no wonder their athletes had a lot of success - Whether or not they understood the actual mechanisims as to why it worked or not, I don't know - my guess is not as my recollection is advances in understanding all that came somewhat later.
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Re: HIIT / Interval / Fartlek

Postby Alex on Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:47 pm

Mountain Biking is possibly one of the best examples of this whether unstructured or structured as even going around the same trails they can vary from week to week due to weather conditions. Lots of intervals of varying degrees and always a good deal of lactic acid to tollerate.
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