Ok ok ok ok okok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok so I just bought some of this.....

[edited for the moment mate -KP]

has anyone used it? I was going to get pure ephh from astro but since they cost twice as much and arent in the Uk I found these Forza T5s which contact eph+caff+asp at a decent price. If the ingrediants are genuine it should be a great product, if not I'll be a few quid down..

So has anyone used these or? thoughts? I've already ordered so doesnt make a huge diffference just wondering if people have sued them or not

rawr

how are they selling these? It is illegal - as Eph was banned for sale in the UK and as far as I know this is still the case.

Dunno mate according to http://www.thesite.org/drinkanddrugs/dr ... /ephedrine it is not technically illegal?!

I think elsewhere in the world it is sold as a bronchilator.

If the ingrediants list is real then it'll be a banging product! I did do a quick google and some people have used it and liked it but none of them seemed particularly clued up.

Ordered anyway so we'll see. I've used eph before & I am a caffeine junkie, so if its fake I'll know

kp1512 wrote:how are they selling these? It is illegal - as Eph was banned for sale in the UK and as far as I know this is still the case.

Looks like they are based in London too and their website says this product is produced in the Uk? maybe its an asthma medication

Will be interesting to see if it's kosher as the majority of HCL's seem to be rubbish.

Emailed them to ask if their product was legit and if it was HCL or simply ma huang this was the reply I got

Hi Mike,



Our ephedrine based products are legal if you are buying them for your own consumption.



The ephedrine is pharmaceutical grade ephedrine HCL, the strongest, most expensive and most consistent on the market today. Our human grade products are now the market leader.





Kindest regards



Customer Services

Mike

I find that statement VERY interesting.

My understanding is that it is ILLEGAL to sell without a license and this is backed from the following - which clearly reads it is POM

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/NewsCentre/Press ... CON2032216

Maybe worth asking them this? As it may have changed?

Dont know mate I'm guessing that press release is just stirring the pot. if you check the controlled substances list ephedrine isnt listed at all: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/cdlist.pdf

that is MoD - MHRA deal in what is legal to sell OTC.

Odd none of the less - I always thought it was banned for sale

I'm thinking it may be illegal OTC. since over the internet wouldnt be classified as OTC then maybe its ok? DHEA ison the controlled list yet you can buy it everywhere online.

You can still buy chesteze tablets without a prescription and they have 18mg ephedrine in them.

must be some loophole they are exploiting- but i cannot see how
bit silly to blatantly advertise- no doubt the site will disappear soon when they get visited after some stupid obese person takes a full pot and develops pulmonary hypertension

apparently hold a license to manufacture, once it has been manufactured it is nigh on possible to revert back to pure ephedrine to make other illicit substances
my chemistry knowledge on that is a little sketchy- so any budding biochemists here will be able to attest to the gravitas of that statement

julesm wrote:must be some loophole they are exploiting- but i cannot see how
bit silly to blatantly advertise- no doubt the site will disappear soon when they get visited after some stupid obese person takes a full pot and develops pulmonary hypertension

there is a loop hole on dose per set mg of serving - 7.5 if I am not mistaken

Sida had to be pulled last year for legal reasons as a few online UK suppliers have had to stop selling so even more strange.

Sida was only pulled by the likes of certain bulk suppliers I think commercial entities like **** still sell it? I still see it advertised in magazines any how...

I guess they never actually banned ephedra, I asked my pharmacy if they stock chesteze still and they said 'yes why wouldnt we?' checking the label it still has 18.5mg ephedrine in there so..

Anyway took these forza t5's for the last 3 days.....this stuff feels real! Same feeling i got from using prescribed eph a few years ago.....I bought the half-strength variety and it keeps me buzzed for atleast 6 hours straight so god knows what the 'full strength' would do....seems exessive.

Obviously cannot judge on fat burning as yet but since I'm certian its real, that'll follow no probs.

quality product at a quality price imo. Since eph clearly isnt illegal to sell (atleast not online) maybe bsd would want to look into stocking it in some sort of formula, since bsd is an online only entity.

Just ordered some half strength, some full strength and some additional EPH, it's insanely cheap compared to what I've seen before.

Word of caution: full strength is 60mg EPH, 200mg caff and 25mg asp. Why they put twice as much EPH in it as any other stack outthere is beyond me, but I'm anxious to try it.

60mg in one take is a heck of alot especially with the aspirin...which is what makes it slightly more potent

Rilla wrote:Just ordered some half strength, some full strength and some additional EPH, it's insanely cheap compared to what I've seen before.

Word of caution: full strength is 60mg EPH, 200mg caff and 25mg asp. Why they put twice as much EPH in it as any other stack outthere is beyond me, but I'm anxious to try it.

that much eph will definatly make you anxious! be careful

Mike wrote:Sida was only pulled by the likes of certain bulk suppliers I think commercial entities like **** still sell it? I still see it advertised in magazines any how...

I guess they never actually banned ephedra, I asked my pharmacy if they stock chesteze still and they said 'yes why wouldnt we?' checking the label it still has 18.5mg ephedrine in there so..

Anyway took these forza t5's for the last 3 days.....this stuff feels real! Same feeling i got from using prescribed eph a few years ago.....I bought the half-strength variety and it keeps me buzzed for atleast 6 hours straight so god knows what the 'full strength' would do....seems exessive.

Obviously cannot judge on fat burning as yet but since I'm certian its real, that'll follow no probs.

quality product at a quality price imo. Since eph clearly isnt illegal to sell (atleast not online) maybe bsd would want to look into stocking it in some sort of formula, since bsd is an online only entity.

Mike

It is illegal to sell unless you are a pharmacy I beleive- but I can only suspect that the profits far outweigh the fine - as is often the case in the UK on such things.

Here is a list with people convicted on ephedrine and other substances

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Howweregulate/Me ... /index.htm

Here is the MHRA backing out of a total ban in 07

http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=4114280

So it seems from that the MHRA backed out on a total ban but recommended its sale in 720mg amounts to ONE person only and must be via Pharmacist?

I cant find anything current in terms of legislation change

How interesting. If this is now the case- they certainly have done a good job on keeping it quiet.

Interestingly enough - under the MoD act- you can still buy it for Personal Use.

Mike wrote:

Rilla wrote:Just ordered some half strength, some full strength and some additional EPH, it's insanely cheap compared to what I've seen before.

Word of caution: full strength is 60mg EPH, 200mg caff and 25mg asp. Why they put twice as much EPH in it as any other stack outthere is beyond me, but I'm anxious to try it.

that much eph will definatly make you anxious! be careful

Dude...
It's me.
I've done 75mg eph+600mg EPH before, so i think I'll be fine.
Thanks for caring though.

Rilla - your heart really must be in a state mate. It cant be good and it will catch up with you mate.

kp1512 wrote:60mg in one take is a heck of alot especially with the aspirin...which is what makes it slightly more potent

I always thought the purpose of the aspirin was to extend the period of effectiveness.

kp1512 wrote:Rilla - your heart really must be in a state mate. It cant be good and it will catch up with you mate.

Hm, yea I'm not doing those heavy doses anymore. My tolerance just builds up so damn fast. After a couple of months off, I can take a serving of Hydroxycut each day for a week, then move on to taking a serving just before going to bed if I want to.

I've purchased some half strength to see what it's like...

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