Am starting to think more and more about going equipped, since pretty much everybody does now.

Just wondering how much going equipped adds to the 3 lifts and how long it's likely to take to learn how to use it ?

Cheers

Don't be a lemming. Keep it raw & natural mate (man, that's sounds dodgy as hell lol).

health4ni wrote:Don't be a lemming. Keep it raw & natural mate (man, that's sounds dodgy as hell lol).

I know what you mean, but there's less and less unequipped competitions and less and less recognition in the organisations for UE lifting - A real shame, but that seems to be the way it's going

imo it's crazy. Massively increased risk of injury. And also how is it worthwhile suddenly being able to bench 20-40kg more? (for example).

health4ni wrote:imo it's crazy. Massively increased risk of injury. And also how is it worthwhile suddenly being able to bench 20-40kg more? (for example).

I'm not so sure that that's what gets me about it - What gets me is that person A may well be built so that his suits fit perfectly and so he gets a massive advantage out of them - Person B with a slightly different build won't get the same advantage - So while the suits may be the same, it's not really a level playing field

Also if Person A can afford better equipment than B, then again A has an advantage

So my issue is that in equipped the playing field is going to very uneven, and so how can your 'really' compare yourself to the other lifters - At least in unequipped there's no such argument.

And before anyone says so, I know that the same is true in other sports - Swimming and the suits some countries now use comes to mind, but TBH I think that's unfair to - Make em all wear speedo's - None of this sharskin stuff

good points well made.

get some equipment and go for it mate, don't be fooled by how some people make it look so easy though, its hard work, especially bench shirt. Try it out and you can make your own opinions on it.

Health- beleive it or not from my experience and from what i've seen on net, more unequipped lifters seem to get injured than equipped..

I had exactly same view as you guys before i started competing, once you get the equipment though it just seems to make training more fun (for me..) and i get a bigger adrenaline rush from it plus the fact it adds more importance to technique which really gets you concentrating. Also its fukkin hard work but really satisifying when it goes well.

p.s its impossible to predict how much you will get out of equipped, deadlift- most liekly fuck all, squat-most liekly alot, bench- REALLY hit or miss.

ash fletcher wrote:Health- beleive it or not from my experience and from what i've seen on net, more unequipped lifters seem to get injured than equipped..

I can imagine that.

health4ni wrote:Don't be a lemming. Keep it raw & natural mate (man, that's sounds dodgy as hell lol).

I have to say Scott i find that statement a little arrogant, and i dont even lift equipped and im natural (obviously).

I respect the fact that your goals are about being as healthy and physically fit as possible, not to get huge or to have a 600lb bench or compete in strongman etc etc, but i think at the same time you need to accept that not everyone has the same goals and motivations as you do.

I hope to this year compete in a couple of PL meets at a local level, knowing that ill be going in without a bench shirt, squat briefs and without chemical assistance.. and im going to come last (but i dont care, i just love to lift and want to be a part of the sport ive become interested in), im not going to look down my nose at people and claim some moral high ground because its my choice to do things as i do, it takes nothing away from equipped lifters.

Not looking to get into an argument but just wanted to make the point that people have different goals on here

ash fletcher wrote:p.s its impossible to predict how much you will get out of equipped, deadlift- most liekly fuck all, squat-most liekly alot, bench- REALLY hit or miss.

I just wondered what other people thought though - I've seen people suggest 20-30Kg on squat with wraps and another 20-30Kg or more for the suit - Does that sound right?

Bench I know is odd, but I was thinking maybe 20Kg or more??

I know deadlift you get bugger all- Do you know if Sumo or conventional gets more benefit - I lift Sumo nowadays

Marks1972 wrote:just wanted to make the point that people have different goals on here

Good point IMO In a nutshell I think the phrase is: "Horses for courses"

Ader wrote:

ash fletcher wrote:p.s its impossible to predict how much you will get out of equipped, deadlift- most liekly fuck all, squat-most liekly alot, bench- REALLY hit or miss.

I just wondered what other people thought though - I've seen people suggest 20-30Kg on squat with wraps and another 20-30Kg or more for the suit - Does that sound right?

Bench I know is odd, but I was thinking maybe 20Kg or more??

I know deadlift you get bugger all- Do you know if Sumo or conventional gets more benefit - I lift Sumo nowadays

well aprently sumo deadlifts can get quite alot out of it, i get fook all, maybe 5 kilos, but maybe because i lift more 'semi sumo'.

its quite hard to tell with equipment, i mean u shud really be able to get 50kilos out of wraps and suit but certainly no reason why you couldn't get more, also depends on how many ply, with briefs etc. Some people can really struggle getting alot out of em, some people can get alot. Lot of technique involved i personally get alot out of it on squat.

You will find equipped lifting will challange you in few different ways than un-equipped.

I'm just here for the chicks, tbh.

What do deadlift suits even do? They cant be that tight like squat suit is or you wouldnt be able to get down to the bar.. would you?

Marks1972 wrote:What do deadlift suits even do? They cant be that tight like squat suit is or you wouldnt be able to get down to the bar.. would you?

I think a lot of people just use their squat suits for dead's TBH

And I suspect becasue you can't go down the same as in squats, since there's no weight pushing you down - And by that I mean through the route of max resitsance, then you ain't going to get max assistance, like you can I the squat.

Hmm Ader, i just had an idea for the deadlift...

Would it be allowed to start the deadlift standing on a platform. Then you leap off, and the forces created on landing allow you get low into a squat position, when you then grab onto the bar and start the pull in a plyometric fashion, thus getting the full 'spring' you get out of a squat suit, effectively adding ~40kg. This could be practiced in knee wraps also for extra springiness.

....Im a genius, i tell ya.

Ader wrote:Am starting to think more and more about going equipped, since pretty much everybody does now.

Marks1972 wrote:

health4ni wrote:Don't be a lemming. Keep it raw & natural mate (man, that's sounds dodgy as hell lol).

I have to say Scott i find that statement a little arrogant, and i dont even lift equipped and im natural (obviously).

I resent that.

My response was based on Ader's apparent "peer pressure" to go equipped. What, am I not allowed a view point now?

And my personal goals etc are nothing at all to do with this thread. This was my opinion based on what Ader wrote.

I'm not going to cry if Ader lifts equipped. I wish him the best of luck and safety if he decides to do it.

Just goes to show how you can read into something a little too much when it's on a forum eh

You certainly can.

Ill take my response to PM Scott.

Karlos wrote:Hmm Ader, i just had an idea for the deadlift...

Would it be allowed to start the deadlift standing on a platform. Then you leap off, and the forces created on landing allow you get low into a squat position, when you then grab onto the bar and start the pull in a plyometric fashion, thus getting the full 'spring' you get out of a squat suit, effectively adding ~40kg. This could be practiced in knee wraps also for extra springiness.

....Im a genius, i tell ya.

This could be a whole new lift concept - the "jump down from a height and immediately lift a heavy weight" lift - Not a deadlift at all - A fourth discipline.

Obviously timing and ability to grab hold of the bar 'on the move' would be crucial - So quite a technical lift - Maybe it should be added to the olympic lifts due to it's speed, rather than the powerlifting?

I wonder if it could catch on?

How about we mandate that competitors wear springs on their feet so if they get their timing wrong they get launched forward in a hilarious fashion?

How stringent are the rules on lifting suits?

You can't wear one of those!

How would you inject?

lol I would love to see andy bolton/razazadeh doing that lift. Especially with springs on their feet.

Untill you have given equipped lifting a go please do not bash it as it is incredibly difficult, the pressure is immense..

Ader go for it mate. Its all about learning the lines of the shirt for bench and the tention for suits and breifs I think its an art tbh. Very hard to do and when people do it correctly it looks easy, it ent ! lol