Epistane

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Epistane

Postby Wardie on Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:18 pm

Anyone running or planning of running this again?

Seems like there was a lot of talk about it, a few people gave it a go and got generally good results but then it's died off.
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Re: Epistane

Postby Jake The Muss on Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:37 pm

Personally I wont be using Epistane again.I got good gains but for me the side effect of back pumps was too much.
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Re: Epistane

Postby simon m on Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:39 pm

I may in the future.
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Re: Epistane

Postby RoB on Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:41 pm

Did about half a bottle before my tendons became so painful i couldn't train.
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Re: Epistane

Postby Alex on Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:36 pm

Something I have thought about but I think prices are going up.

May plan on something in August.
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Re: Epistane

Postby kp1512 on Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:56 pm

theres a fair few bad boys out now in this range i was reading that may get pulled off the market over there

Ill get some of the newer names.
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Re: Epistane

Postby Dtlv74 on Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:33 pm

How do people rate prohormones like Epistane & what would be their most effective use? Hypertrophy/maintaining mass whilst cutting/strength gains...?

Do they warrant PCT?
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Re: Epistane

Postby Max on Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:49 am

Same as steroids imo. Better to use decent gear than PH..
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Re: Epistane

Postby RoB on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:26 am

I agree, it was a waste of time for me. Gave me horrific tendonitus + small balls in the short space of time i was on it. The next time I delve into the grey area it will definitely be with real gear.
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Re: Epistane

Postby Will on Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:32 am

It's always something I think "should I/shouldn't I" - then I read articles on it which makes me think, yeah sounds good. Then I read stuff on it that makes me think, no fucking way. Then for 6 months I don't think about it at all and train like a mofo and probably get just as good gains :P
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Re: Epistane

Postby cleaver on Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:28 am

Max wrote:Same as steroids imo. Better to use decent gear than PH..



I've done neither but if I was I'd proceed directly to test injections. Prohormones are a load of sh!te and the negative effects appear to be as bad as full blown AAS but without the same gains.
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Re: Epistane

Postby kp1512 on Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:33 am

cleaver wrote:
Max wrote:Same as steroids imo. Better to use decent gear than PH..



I've done neither but if I was I'd proceed directly to test injections. Prohormones are a load of sh!te and the negative effects appear to be as bad as full blown AAS but without the same gains.


Agree Cleavster. I never did understand why people took them - like 50% more sides with 50% less gains.

But then also - alot of people hate the idea of Injections etc so i can kind of see there point; which I guess is whay dball and all are so popular for those inbetweeners.
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Re: Epistane

Postby Alex on Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:57 am

I didn't suffer any sides at all but got minimal gains, maybe 1-2lbs so for me it wasn't so bad.
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Re: Epistane

Postby ollie on Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:47 pm

Nasty stuff. Dried out my joints really badly and was probably to blame for tendonitis in my elbow, which I've still not really recovered from.

I didn't get a huge amount off it either.
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Re: Epistane

Postby Dtlv74 on Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:49 pm

RoB wrote:I agree, it was a waste of time for me. Gave me horrific tendonitus + small balls in the short space of time i was on it. The next time I delve into the grey area it will definitely be with real gear.


ollie wrote:Nasty stuff. Dried out my joints really badly and was probably to blame for tendonitis in my elbow, which I've still not really recovered from.

I didn't get a huge amount off it either.


Tendonitis seems a common theme here... is this a symptom common to all AAI use or something related to Epi or certain types of AAI only?
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Re: Epistane

Postby Bison on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:23 pm

I don't think I gained anything from it, maybe dropped some bodyfat but nothing something as simple as an ECA stack can't do.

I tried it and ended up out of action for 6 months.... with tendon related problems funnily enough :roll:
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Re: Epistane

Postby Will on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:35 pm

No wonder I keep getting put off! :lol:

If I'm honest I don't think I'm brave enough to ever go down that route - although I know I'd make HUGE gains from it, it scares the shit out of me.
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Re: Epistane

Postby Bison on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:43 pm

I always thought that, took me 20 years to dip my toe in and just have a little try. Talk about hyping something up! I was just like.... Is that it?? Very, very disappointed with it.

I've been thinking about a low dose test only course maybe next year as I'll be 35 but I'm worried about how I'll feel about training without it again afterwards... that's the problem!
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Re: Epistane

Postby kp1512 on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:49 pm

what about a 5 weeker of Anavar at like 60mg a day?
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Re: Epistane

Postby Bison on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:52 pm

kp1512 wrote:what about a 5 weeker of Anavar at like 60mg a day?

Dude you've gone over my head already :lol:

What's Anavar?
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Re: Epistane

Postby Alex on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:53 pm

Bison wrote:I always thought that, took me 20 years to dip my toe in and just have a little try. Talk about hyping something up! I was just like.... Is that it?? Very, very disappointed with it.

I've been thinking about a low dose test only course maybe next year as I'll be 35 but I'm worried about how I'll feel about training without it again afterwards... that's the problem!


If you do test and an AI but without an oral like D-bol then I'm guessing you'll probably not notice too much in terms of strength gains but obviously you'll put on some mass and a little water, of which with good PCT you'll retain maybe 75%.

So the psychology of losing strength gains while off wouldn't be prominant.
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Re: Epistane

Postby Alex on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:54 pm

kp1512 wrote:what about a 5 weeker of Anavar at like 60mg a day?


Pretty low dose?
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Re: Epistane

Postby kp1512 on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:56 pm

Alex wrote:
kp1512 wrote:what about a 5 weeker of Anavar at like 60mg a day?


Pretty low dose?


first timer i think would be good with creatine and some cq10 [atp cycle yada yada yada]

maybe even 75mg
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Re: Epistane

Postby Dtlv74 on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:57 pm

Will wrote:No wonder I keep getting put off! :lol:

If I'm honest I don't think I'm brave enough to ever go down that route - although I know I'd make HUGE gains from it, it scares the shit out of me.


To be completely honest I'm not dedicated enough to training or obsessed enough with being big to ever warrant AAI use. The most likely reason that may get me to go down that route is as i get older and if maintaining good shape becomes really difficult.

I am fascinated with it though... am with all areas of training. I don't really have any moral objections to it either, but do think many rush to AAIs too quickly before they've even learned how to train properly and eat correctly.
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Re: Epistane

Postby Bison on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:58 pm

The one I have heard of and seems to be the one every man and his dog is using atm is Trenbolone. This gives good gains without water?
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