Rilla i guess this'll be your baby....

I have some Eph, and have on & off used it alone and stacked with caffeine and Aspirin.

However, i think its lost its ability to increase my fat burning, so i also have Yohimbine HCL (very potent) and am up for stacking it with anything else i can get my hands on

Goal here is fat loss, dont care if its a little catabolic as i tend to hold my mass anyway unless doing silly amounts of cardio, don't care is its very stimulating either.

Any suggestions? Seen a few posts that mention adding in other supps like Aminos etc to ECA... I have green tea, taurine in my supp drawer as well. Also, am off to the states in 2 days so anything i can pick up there would be good.


Cheers folks

1 word, nutraplanet - order while you're there. Google the site... As for fat burning - I don't really think you need any of that crap - just mornong cardio if you hold your mass well. And if the main ingredient isn't working - the Eph, why not just bin it as what's the point in just collecting possible sides. How much fat have you to lose? If it's not much, a couple of months careful eating isn't gonna kill ya. If it's quite a bit, you really shouldn't need an ECA stack as any effot to move it will hav some effect...

Well, like I posted in the other thread, fatburning is not really my specialty - I'm more of a "get stimmed out your brain" kind of guy.
That said, those two things often go hand in hand, so I'll throw up my thoughts.
Personally I prefer small amounts of several different stims to, say 50mg of eph hcl straight up. I feel it gives a more balanced feeling and less of a comedown.
I've had some good results with ECY (eph, caf, yohimbine), but I seem to remember Cleaver saying yohimbine has very little unless you're low carb.
I'd recommend that you go out and get some Geranamine/1,3-Dimethylpentylamine, it's my favorite stim by far. Very clear and intense effect, long lasting and with very little comedown. You could probably stack it with your standard ECA/Y product for a really good kick. Somewhere around 25mg should be ok for this.

A product I've yet to try, but find very interesting is Nutraplanet's Core ZAP - it looks very good on paper.
That's all I can think of for now.

I'm on 10% bF (via calipers) and would like to get to 6% if poss.

Great i'll look up that site and also that stuff that i have never heard of. Sounds interesting!

I often go low carb cycling, so will be up for the Yohimbine usage, need to get into it as its been sat in my drawer for ages (my mate accidentally OD'ed on it by stupidly not reading the instructions and i had to rush him to hospital!!!!)

upright wrote:If it's not much, a couple of months careful eating isn't gonna kill ya. If it's quite a bit, you really shouldn't need an ECA stack as any effot to move it will hav some effect...

Thats very sensible and sound advice thanks, i think people often overlook the traditional hard-slog options (lord knows i have at times)

james ellis wrote:I'm on 10% bF (via calipers) and would like to get to 6% if poss.

Great i'll look up that site and also that stuff that i have never heard of. Sounds interesting!

I often go low carb cycling, so will be up for the Yohimbine usage, need to get into it as its been sat in my drawer for ages (my mate accidentally OD'ed on it by stupidly not reading the instructions and i had to rush him to hospital!!!!)

How the hell can you OD on yohimbine HCL?
No wait, I just remembered what Bison did - nevermind.

He took about 1/4 of teaspoonful equalling 1200mg (label says 1dose is 2.5mg)

He was puking up blood and stomach contents, sweating, wretching and generally looking very unhappy for about 4 hours.....


doh!

james ellis wrote:He took about 1/4 of teaspoonful equalling 1200mg (label says 1dose is 2.5mg)

He was puking up blood and stomach contents, sweating, wretching and generally looking very unhappy for about 4 hours.....


doh!

MY GOD! That has to go down as one of the worse OD's ive heard in terms of the ratios!

Have you any idea how close he must have been to a heartattack? In fact at 1200mg I am surprised he didnt have one!??!

james ellis wrote:He took about 1/4 of teaspoonful equalling 1200mg (label says 1dose is 2.5mg)

He was puking up blood and stomach contents, sweating, wretching and generally looking very unhappy for about 4 hours.....


doh!

Bet you he lost some weight though

yeah, and he is a hardcore guy that has boshed years worth of pills, coke, speed, as well as many cycles of gear and other stims....

All it took was one little bit of powder to fuck him up, said it was the worst he has ever felt!

(in his defense the packaging isnt that clear considering how potent the shit it. The nurse rang up the distributor and had a go at them!)

I reckon that's a pretty easy mistake to make 1/4 tsp is more or less nothing of anything to some people - I've had <other stuff> myself. That's some pretty potent swag then - 1 dose must be barely visible to the naked eye - amazing that s little can do so much.

Constant use of stims like ECA for fat loss is just asking for adrenal exaustion. Its kind of similar to the way simple sugars stimulate insulin so heavily that it can in the long run lead to diabetes, only with stims your stimulating the adrenal hormones which over time just give up if used to much. A few people on here have had sucsess with forskolin, a combo of this ALCAR and green tea could give a much friendlier fat burning stack. If your not on high dose fish oils then get on them asap!

Craig wrote:Constant use of stims like ECA for fat loss is just asking for adrenal exaustion. Its kind of similar to the way simple sugars stimulate insulin so heavily that it can in the long run lead to diabetes, only with stims your stimulating the adrenal hormones which over time just give up if used to much. A few people on here have had sucsess with forskolin, a combo of this ALCAR and green tea could give a much friendlier fat burning stack. If your not on high dose fish oils then get on them asap!

I's steer clear of high doses of that if you like poo that retains it's shape in the bowl and a head that doesn't bang like a gorilla on a bar of dairy milk.

upright wrote:

Craig wrote:Constant use of stims like ECA for fat loss is just asking for adrenal exaustion. Its kind of similar to the way simple sugars stimulate insulin so heavily that it can in the long run lead to diabetes, only with stims your stimulating the adrenal hormones which over time just give up if used to much. A few people on here have had sucsess with forskolin, a combo of this ALCAR and green tea could give a much friendlier fat burning stack. If your not on high dose fish oils then get on them asap!

I's steer clear of high doses of that if you like poo that retains it's shape in the bowl and a head that doesn't bang like a gorilla on a bar of dairy milk.

you used it in a combo product, could of been many things (the headache), for sure it can give some people the sh1ts, still this is why I think these combo products are poor, you never know which of the ingredients is feckin you up.

Which is why I won't be bothering with them again - nor any of the ingredients. No Foreskin, no Nolva(until next year ) Unless it has time proven real results like gear, creatine, Whey it's just not worth the money.

Fact is, unless you're gonna run the treadmill and put the time in, the ECA stack (and any others)is just worthless stims for the sake. Unless you watch what goes in the gob, it's crap. Depends on how strong your head is and how you adapt to the stims. Having a suppressed apetite sometimes means that as people aren't hungry, they miss meals and then think it's ok to eat whatever crap as they haven't had much. Personally, nothing suppresses my desire for food, sida, eph, e, coke, speed - nothing. I have to sop myself eating all the time. I already have 7 meals/day and can easily eat more crap in between.

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/ ... 9687.story

this stuff sounds good when/if it hits the shelfs

upright wrote:Which is why I won't be bothering with them again - nor any of the ingredients. No Foreskin, no Nolva(until next year ) Unless it has time proven real results like gear, creatine, Whey it's just not worth the money.

Fact is, unless you're gonna run the treadmill and put the time in, the ECA stack (and any others)is just worthless stims for the sake. Unless you watch what goes in the gob, it's crap. Depends on how strong your head is and how you adapt to the stims. Having a suppressed apetite sometimes means that as people aren't hungry, they miss meals and then think it's ok to eat whatever crap as they haven't had much. Personally, nothing suppresses my desire for food, sida, eph, e, coke, speed - nothing. I have to sop myself eating all the time. I already have 7 meals/day and can easily eat more crap in between.

toremifene - google it

I've got some Reset AD waiting for me at the post office, will let ya'll know how I get on with it.

Sweet, just ordered some 1fast400 Geranamine off Amazon of all places.....

Looking forward to that

And that Nurtaplanet.com is......... some kind of crazy multi-coloured supplement.... planet. Never realised there were so many OTC fat burners/stims/matabolisers and so many different claims.



Kid in a candy shop!!!

james ellis wrote:Sweet, just ordered some 1fast400 Geranamine off Amazon of all places.....

Looking forward to that

And that Nurtaplanet.com is......... some kind of crazy multi-coloured supplement.... planet. Never realised there were so many OTC fat burners/stims/matabolisers and so many different claims.



Kid in a candy shop!!!

LOL yea, it's crazy isn't it?