Would a cycle of Cissus-drol on it's own be worthwhile or not?

I dont think it would do anything to the point of giving dramatic or even good results but from the reports on here it is a good supplement.

radicalry00 wrote:Would a cycle of Cissus-drol on it's own be worthwhile or not?

I rather run the cissus 50% extract than cissus drol if I had to pick just one, both together would be better. But sure its a good product as it contains cissus.

Cheers for the replies lads. I know the effects won't be as obvious or as good as a real pro-hormone but was thinking of giving it a go.

Most pro hormones are shit, infact theres er epistane and...................................... epistane, most are wank mate, cissus is a great supplement, search the threads on it here. BSD reloaded is another great supplement to give you a strength/ recovery / energy etc

http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/ ... m33f4gdig3

Craig wrote:Most pro hormones are shit, infact theres er epistane and...................................... epistane, most are wank mate, cissus is a great supplement, search the threads on it here. BSD reloaded is another great supplement to give you a strength/ recovery / energy etc

http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/ ... m33f4gdig3

I'd say MMV2 is pretty good for mild strength gains past normal supplementation.

Alex wrote:

Craig wrote:Most pro hormones are shit, infact theres er epistane and...................................... epistane, most are wank mate, cissus is a great supplement, search the threads on it here. BSD reloaded is another great supplement to give you a strength/ recovery / energy etc

http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/ ... m33f4gdig3

I'd say MMV2 is pretty good for mild strength gains past normal supplementation.

Mild, just the word everyone wants to hear

Well I'm being honest. The gains are pretty good but I guess not AAS like.

I think I'd rather use OAKG for strength gains..?

So, basically, the general consensus is that Cissus-drol just makes a good OTC form of PCT for other cycles?

radicalry00 wrote:So, basically, the general consensus is that Cissus-drol just makes a good OTC form of PCT for other cycles?

No its a good stand alone product but there are better ones.

Bison wrote:I think I'd rather use OAKG for strength gains..?

Yes, in that it's safer but you'd get more gain from MMV2.

Oh, why did I find this thread...........lol

It is no secret I dont like test boosters and have tried many.

The whole concept is deceptive for example.
When guys age, they tend to get more belly fat, the more belly fat a guy has the more aromitization he has, the more aromitization he has, the more estrogen he will have, the more estrogen he has the lower testosteorne he will have, the lower testosterone he will have the more belly fat he has, and the vicious cycle continues..............lol

So, many test booser products contain something that will either lower aromatase activity (AI), or block the receptor site (SERM).
In the presence of excess estrogen, those products would be beneficial as test levels are low.
But for a healthy young man, blocking estrogen in the hopes of increasing testosterone wont allow for any added gains.

For PCT, forget it.

I also have an issue with some of the companies suggesting test boosters that in fact have nothing to do with boosting testosterone. That is like me calling creatine a test booster, gains are there but the T levels wont be.
I have alot of heartburn with supplement companies marketing hype, generated at gullible young men.
I dont know how come some dont have a concience..............Guess it is money....lol

Let me give you an example.
Clomid is used in the medical community, it is called the clomid stimulation test. This test determines if the pituitary is working. Clomid is a SERM, at 100mg a day, between 5 to 7 days there is a doubling of LH and a 20% to 50% increase of FSH. These are real numbers.
I have yet to see any OTC test boosing supplement have any results.

How about this, watching porn can increase LH levels in men............lol..................Test booster.........lol

I was considering Epi as my first cycle but was looking on muscletalk and got persuaded into using Cissus Drol and stack it with Drive but after reading this im not so sure anymore. I'm confused and under age lol. I thought it did seem odd for myself, a 20yr old, to be taking test boosters.
So im back to epistane and while im conscious of the 21yr age reccomendation i turn 21 in 2 months so whats the worst that could happen?...

Frio3535 wrote:I was considering Epi as my first cycle but was looking on muscletalk and got persuaded into using Cissus Drol and stack it with Drive but after reading this im not so sure anymore. I'm confused and under age lol. I thought it did seem odd for myself, a 20yr old, to be taking test boosters.
So im back to epistane and while im conscious of the 21yr age reccomendation i turn 21 in 2 months so whats the worst that could happen?...

Your old bill will fall off?

Frio3535 wrote:I was considering Epi as my first cycle but was looking on muscletalk and got persuaded into using Cissus Drol and stack it with Drive but after reading this im not so sure anymore. I'm confused and under age lol. I thought it did seem odd for myself, a 20yr old, to be taking test boosters.
So im back to epistane and while im conscious of the 21yr age reccomendation i turn 21 in 2 months so whats the worst that could happen?...

It's up to you but the longer you wait the better imo mate.

simon m wrote:

Frio3535 wrote:I was considering Epi as my first cycle but was looking on muscletalk and got persuaded into using Cissus Drol and stack it with Drive but after reading this im not so sure anymore. I'm confused and under age lol. I thought it did seem odd for myself, a 20yr old, to be taking test boosters.
So im back to epistane and while im conscious of the 21yr age reccomendation i turn 21 in 2 months so whats the worst that could happen?...

It's up to you but the longer you wait the better imo mate.

Do you think you can wait too long Si?,By this I mean do you think there is an age that you should stop considering turning too the dark side? I ask because I often get tempted myself but I always say next year!

Jake The Muss wrote:

simon m wrote:

Frio3535 wrote:I was considering Epi as my first cycle but was looking on muscletalk and got persuaded into using Cissus Drol and stack it with Drive but after reading this im not so sure anymore. I'm confused and under age lol. I thought it did seem odd for myself, a 20yr old, to be taking test boosters.
So im back to epistane and while im conscious of the 21yr age reccomendation i turn 21 in 2 months so whats the worst that could happen?...

It's up to you but the longer you wait the better imo mate.

Do you think you can wait too long Si?,By this I mean do you think there is an age that you should stop considering turning too the dark side? I ask because I often get tempted myself but I always say next year!

I started on Epi at 40, so I'd say don't bother until you feel a decline. To me it was a lack of aggression and fat build up which I never had a problem with in my early to mid 30's

Interesting,I think I will wait a little longer