Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

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Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby Orinoco on Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:28 pm

Taken from the full article found here ....

http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do;jsessionid=1C347567FE55F3479509B9403F829E40.hydra?id=1431471&cr=

Poliquin says that with Biosignature Modulation, a skilled trainer needs to just measure twelve specific skinfolds to reliably predict what's going on hormonally inside a client and make the necessary dietary and exercise recommendations. While some may still cry "voodoo," Charles says Biosignature Modulation is now being embraced by North America's functional medicine practitioners.

I've known about the Biosignature Modulation system for a few years, but wanted to get a bit more information before I bellied up to the bar and sipped the Poliquin Kool-Aid. One thing that always bothered me about B.M. is that it appears to give clients an "easy out" for making piss-poor lifestyle choices. Meaning, an overweight guy with significant abdominal fat can now whine that it's stress-induced cortisol that's giving him a pot belly as opposed to that half-pound bean burrito combo he eats for lunch every day.

But in retrospect, that kind of thinking is a strawman argument. Biosignature Modulation isn't intended as a substitute for basic sound dietary practices (multiple feedings, protein at each meal, EFAs, fiber) but rather it's a means of fine tuning the basics by identifying potential roadblocks.

Many people have hormonal issues that make their fat loss efforts more like a Rubik's Cube than a blueprint for success: poor insulin sensitivity, low androgens, a sluggish thyroid, estrogen imbalances, etc. Biosignature Modulation allows the trainer to spot these pitfalls and make appropriate changes without having to send the client off for inconvenient, expensive blood tests.

Here's a brief synopsis of the sites and what elevated levels vs. the triceps may reveal about what's going on inside:

Chin & Cheek — The first sites to go down during a diet. These sites aren't linked to any particular hormone imbalance.

Pectoral & Triceps — The androgen sites. High pec readings in men in relation to the triceps can reflect an androgen/estrogen imbalance. Interestingly, Charles says a female who clocks in at less than 5mm on the triceps site is almost a shoe-in to be on AAS and likely rides a stationary bike as foreplay.

Suprailliac & Subscapular — The insulin sites. These sites are related to blood sugar management. High readings here vs. the triceps may reflect poor insulin sensitivity and carb intolerance.

Mid-axillary — This site is correlated to thyroid hormone levels. The lower the number, the better the thyroid.

Umbilical — The much maligned cortisol site. It can be high despite low overall body fat.

Knee & Medial Calf — These skinfolds are related to growth hormone. Interestingly, readings on the knee site tend to go up in the third and fourth week of a fat loss diet and then go back down.

Quadriceps & Hamstring — High levels here vs. the triceps are correlated to high estrogen levels.


The balance of the seminar was spent identifying exactly where each site was and obtaining a correct skinfold pinch (not always an easy task!) Then for each site Charles suggested training, diet, and supplementation programs to implement when encountering an abnormally elevated skinfold. But Charles is prone to tangents, so there was a lot of additional info along the way.
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Postby Bison on Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:33 pm

That's a great link, some good stuff in there. This one quote genuinely made me LOL!

• Ever wonder how your buddy can snort ephedrine like Al Pacino in Scarface and go to sleep while 25mg at breakfast has you cleaning out the garage at 4 AM? According to Charles, a stimulant's range of effect between individuals can vary 1:24.


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Re: Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby Orinoco on Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:36 pm

1:24 !!!! lol

I have no idea what that means.....
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Postby cleaver on Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:28 pm

Orinoco wrote:1:24 !!!! lol

I have no idea what that means.....



Most of us get a good rattle from stims so we are at the low end of that scale.

Rilla as per my signature is probably a 24+
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Re: Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby Orinoco on Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:36 pm

ahh righto.

I'd say I used to be around the 20 mark....coffee would make me feel calmer. Then again so did speed.
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Postby Rilla on Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:46 pm

cleaver wrote:
Orinoco wrote:1:24 !!!! lol

I have no idea what that means.....



Most of us get a good rattle from stims so we are at the low end of that scale.

Rilla as per my signature is probably a 24+


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Actually, the info in your quote is not quite correct - I had a look at my bottles the other day, and realized some of the stuff I listed as eph, was actually synephrine... I really need to get my hands on some good eph (or noreph) to combine with the yoh HCL that's on the way... :)
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Re: Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby Rilla on Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:48 pm

Orinoco wrote:ahh righto.

I'd say I used to be around the 20 mark....coffee would make me feel calmer. Then again so did speed.


Did the same for me. When I did lots of coke, nobody would notice because it made me calm down and sit still alot more. Weird actually...
I read somewhere they use eph to treat ADHD, so maybe ADHD affects the way stimulants work on us?
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Re: Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby health4ni on Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:04 pm

yeah I remember that post. I can't imagine Charles was too chipper with some dude telling everyone the sites etc. But hey, that's t'internet for ya.

I've done a Poliquin BioSignature course. It's very good. I use some of the techniques on my clients.

The stuff you learn from Charles about diet, nutrition & protocols to fix certain conditions is absolutely astounding; I mean truly mind blowing. For all his perceived arrogance etc, Charles is one clever mofo. He is not just a strength coach; in fact he does less & less strength coaching now, preferring to focus on BioSig stuff and the functional medicine side of things.
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Re: Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby Orinoco on Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:00 pm

health4ni wrote:yeah I remember that post. I can't imagine Charles was too chipper with some dude telling everyone the sites etc. But hey, that's t'internet for ya.

I've done a Poliquin BioSignature course. It's very good. I use some of the techniques on my clients.

The stuff you learn from Charles about diet, nutrition & protocols to fix certain conditions is absolutely astounding; I mean truly mind blowing. For all his perceived arrogance etc, Charles is one clever mofo. He is not just a strength coach; in fact he does less & less strength coaching now, preferring to focus on BioSig stuff and the functional medicine side of things.

I'm a Poliquin fan myself. I've followed his writings in magazines/books since back in the days of mm2k around 12 yrs or so ago. Would love to go/have attended one of his seminars at some point!! Kudos for you being savvy enough there Scott.

TC Luoma used to call him the borg of the strength coaching community. With the volume of info that's in his seminars, I reckon it's a pretty apt description!
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Postby kp1512 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:17 pm

Orinoco wrote:
health4ni wrote:yeah I remember that post. I can't imagine Charles was too chipper with some dude telling everyone the sites etc. But hey, that's t'internet for ya.

I've done a Poliquin BioSignature course. It's very good. I use some of the techniques on my clients.

The stuff you learn from Charles about diet, nutrition & protocols to fix certain conditions is absolutely astounding; I mean truly mind blowing. For all his perceived arrogance etc, Charles is one clever mofo. He is not just a strength coach; in fact he does less & less strength coaching now, preferring to focus on BioSig stuff and the functional medicine side of things.

I'm a Poliquin fan myself. I've followed his writings in magazines/books since back in the days of mm2k around 12 yrs or so ago. Would love to go/have attended one of his seminars at some point!! Kudos for you being savvy enough there Scott.

TC Luoma used to call him the borg of the strength coaching community. With the volume of info that's in his seminars, I reckon it's a pretty apt description!


what he said!

arrogant sod..but I feel he deserves to be!..he has, afteroon walked and talked it!

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Re: Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby exclusive on Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:54 pm

i carry fat on my legs does this indicate high oestrogen levels?
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Re: Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby health4ni on Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:28 pm

Orinoco wrote:I'm a Poliquin fan myself. I've followed his writings in magazines/books since back in the days of mm2k around 12 yrs or so ago. Would love to go/have attended one of his seminars at some point!! Kudos for you being savvy enough there Scott.
Yeah I know dude. I was lucky enough to have a friend in the industry who told me about Poliquin after helping my training and showing me Poliquin training methods.

Orinoco wrote:TC Luoma used to call him the borg of the strength coaching community. With the volume of info that's in his seminars, I reckon it's a pretty apt description!
lol very good. Tis true. Charles has used all the different principles on himself & clients/athletes so knows what works. That's why he is so confident in his own methods. Remember though: the majority of his top-flight Olympic success has come after just 12 weeks of training them. So he has to get results asap. Maybe long term over a year or so certain methods are not ideal; maybe for us they aren't. But he does train the "executive client" (normal people) and gets results too.

kp1512 wrote:arrogant sod..but I feel he deserves to be!..he has, afteroon walked and talked it!
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The arrogant thing: when I first meet Charles I did think he was arrogant. But after a while I began to see that's it's not arrogance, but a supreme confidence in his own knowledge. And not an "offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride." (clicky for ref). There is defo a difference there.

He defo treats men & women differently though. And tbh I don't think it's cos he wants to be in the females pants lol I think it's the 28yrs of having to be like an Alpha male when amongst big ass pumped up NFL, NHL etc etc athletes compared to the very different beast that is woman. He explains this too; how as PTs etc we should interact differently with men & women. I use and it works. It's very good.

exclusive wrote:i carry fat on my legs does this indicate high oestrogen levels?
I assume you're a man? If so, I'd say that's rather unusual tbh. I'd also say that all the sites are based off each other in a ratio type fashion, so it might just be that your legs aren't the most fat laden areas; it's just you think they are.

Anyway, it would indicate an estrogen dominance. DIM would be good for that.
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Re: Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby exclusive on Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:34 pm

Well next time im at work i will take a reading from my tricep and quad, also what is DIM?
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Postby health4ni on Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:57 am

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Postby exclusive on Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:29 pm

Thank you very much bud, we will have to see with the skinfold also reading that should i carry fat on my pecs with high oestrogen levels?
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Postby kp1512 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:40 pm

Orinoco knows about about DIM..he pointed me to it last year.....but there was a reason why I3C was better in some parts...

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Postby Morba on Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:11 pm

health4ni wrote:DIM info.


Ok, that looks very interesting, specifically as my diet lacks any veg (literally).
So DIM supplementation, will help my bitch tits eh?

Where can i get some of this stuff?
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Re: Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby health4ni on Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:14 pm

Morba wrote:Where can i get some of this stuff?
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I can supply stuff to you. It's a good product that really has worked with the clients that have used it. It's not often that supps work that fast, but this DIM seems to. Having said that you should try to increase veg intake as well as a minimum. A Greens drink will defo help cos by the fact you don't get much veg probably means you are acidic most of the time. Obviously the cheapest way is to eat veg, but Green drinks really are great. IMO a must for people like us.

Maybe have a look and see what's out there in terms of DIM. tbh I haven't as I've always had a good source for supply.
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Re: Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby Morba on Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:29 am

Ok so this stuff ?
Do you still have any and whats the equivalent of portions of veg that it provides?

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Re: Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby Alex on Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:17 pm

The Greens Powder Scott did a group buy for is good. One tablespoon is 4 portions of veggies and doesn't taste too bad. I use it post workout and sometimes in my smoothies in the morning if I do one.
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Postby Morba on Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:23 pm

Would be just about perfect for me then :]
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Postby health4ni on Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:22 pm

I'll PM u soon dude ;)
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Re: Bodyfat distribution and hormonal status.

Postby Morba on Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:54 am

good good :D:D
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Postby Morba on Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:00 am

http://www.t-nation.com/article/supplem ... ialReports

this any good in comparison?
noticed a link while reading a rather odd 'young girls' article (t-nation does literotica!)!!
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Postby health4ni on Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:07 am

it seems ok. The ones I use have far more ingredients that allow for a more broad spectrum of vits & minerals to be present. Looks like the cheapest in the Uk is £35+ from ebay

I've never actually tried any BioTest products. Appear to be good and get reviews.
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