Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

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Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Craig on Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:19 am

I always knew I was up against something when the symptoms first came, for the first two years of training (natural) I made better than average progress and well it was a fairly simple game.

Then about two years in I started to get symtoms in the following order: indigestion, diahria, low sex drive, always feeling like I needed the toilet and going 10 plus times a day for a number 2, fat around the mid section, contsant tiredness, feeling faint, getting weaker at the gym, always feeling overtrained, a soft wet look to my muscles....... and probably a bunch of other stuff, I wasn't taking notes!

Luckly for me I have no faith in GP's and so decided to figure this out my self, I went totaly carb free and the symptoms started to ease but also started to lose strength and muscle (I have a super fast metabolism that needs a certain level of carbs/insulin). I already knew I was lactose intolerant (all celiacs are if untreated) so it wasn't a big leap to look at the other big intollerance as my problem. The main issue was admitting it as it means no pizza, bread, pasta....... well anything that tastes good really.

Although hiden gluten is getting better its still in loads of products and so as a life style unless I can confirm with the manafacturer that a product is gluten free and has not been cross contaminated during production I have to leave it be. Sometimes I take a risk and sometime I pay for it!

This info is all abit old news though for anyone with celiac disease (CD), how it affects the hormonal axis and nutrient uptake though should be of key news to anyone suffering from it and wanting to build a decent body.

So lets take a look at how it affects the key anabolic hormones:

Growth hormone:

Iughetti et al studied 130 patients (59 males, age 5.67 ± 3.6 years, height 0.32 ± 1.25 SDS) who had been diagnosed with celiac disease (CD) based on the presence of antigliadin, antiendomysial, and antitransglutaminase antibodies, as well as endoscopic biopsies of the distal duodenal mucosa. These children had a poor clinical response to a gluten-free diet (GFD) and a growth hormone deficiency (GHD); they presented to the pediatric clinic at the University of Modena and Reggio Emilia, Italy between 1999 and 2004. Their growth velocity was determined yearly and serum endomysial antibodies were measured after at least 12 months on a GFD. Those children showing no catch-up growth on a GFD were evaluated to exclude possible GHD. Studies included measurement of basal serum GH, insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-I, IGF binding protein (IGFBP)-3, free T3 , free T4 , TSH, prolactin, cortisol, ACTH, LH, FSH, estradiol or testosterone, and repeat studies for antibodies. In addition, antipituitary and antihypothalamus antibodies were measured. On different days, arginine and L-dopa GH stimulation tests were performed in all 7 of the children identified as having poor catch-up growth. Bone age was determined as well. A diagnosis of GHD was based on short stature, decreased growth velocity, delayed skeletal maturation, and blunted GH response (<10 µg/L) to the 2 pharmacological tests. Antipituitary antibodies were detected by an immunofluorescent method that had been previously described. MRIs were performed in these 7 patients.

Five of the 7 patients showed a blunted GH response to the different stimuli and met the criteria for GHD. Four of the 5 had high titers of antipituitary antibodies, 2 were additionally positive for antihypothalamus antibodies. Antipituitary antibodies were also positive in low titers in 3 out of 25 (12%) children with CD only, and in 2 out of 58 (3.4%) control children. None of the 7 children had any pituitary abnormalities on MRI.

The authors stated that in the past an insufficient GH response to hypoglycemia had been reported in children with CD, which subsequently improved with a GFD. The hypothesis that autoimmunity could involve the pituitary gland was reported about 40 years ago; however, the nature and significance of antipituitary antibodies in GHD patients is still being discussed. The authors stated, however, that high titers of antipituitary antibodies could explain some cases of apparent idiopathic GDH. In patients with multiple autoimmune abnormalities, such as the children with CD, these antibodies may explain their GHD.

Iughetti L, De Bellis A, Predieri B, et al. Growth hormone impaired secretion and antipituitary antibodies in patients with celiac disease and poor catch-up growth after a long gluten-free diet period: a causal association? Eur J Pediatr. 2006;165:897-903.
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Craig on Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:51 am

So let me explain this study and other that have looked into the situation a little bit, growth hormone (GH) is lowered not only before diagnosis but also afterwards in many cases. This maybe due to people not being able to follow a strict gluten free diet or there may be more complex hormonal reasons at play. Either theory has not yet been proved.

Dr. Gaurav Kapur found that people with undiagnosed celiac disease have high levels of prolactin (hence the low sex drive). Its also been shown that people with CD have lower testosterone levels to boot. I'm as of yet to pull together the whole array of hormonal issues CD causes and which are long term opposed to those "cured" by a gluten free diet.

It is worth noting that that all celiacs get gluten in their diet by mistake now and again, through bad info, cross contamination or even just lack of care of checking ingrediants in premade products. I know form personal experience it takes hours for symptoms to show and within 48 hours I start to bloat and gain fat, plus feel tierd also. This leads me to suspect continual hormonal disruption for people with CD through out their life.

I'm going to leave this as an ongoing thread for CD problems and solutions and copy and paste to the bigger boards once theres something worth reading.
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Ader on Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:58 am

Interesting

I've just had results showing high ALT levels in my blood and celiac disease crossed my mind after some research on the web - especially the constant going to the loo issues I've had for a while now, which is what prompted the blood tests in the first place.

Really don't trust my doctor though as I also know high ALT can be a result of intensive exercise and when I asked him about that he said that shouldn't affect ALT - Slightly worrying!

Anyway off to have an ultrasound on my liver soon to check nothing abnormal there and may try to see a different doctor and will enquire about celiac. :o
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Rab on Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:13 am

Ive been gluten free (gluten free oats too) for a wee while now during my diet and considering everything....my guts are in good order and feel great

Could be a result of many things as lactose is also out and veg is increased etc so not laying claim to this alone as its impossible to say

In future i might try and stay lower in gluten to see what happens when bulking or just being normal
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Craig on Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:49 am

In my personal opinon a lot of people are intollerant to gluten and so do better on a GFD. However celiac is an auto imune disease and so has much wider implications. My wife gets on better on a GFD but this does not make her celiac, she has had the test done and come back negative.
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Rab on Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:01 pm

I thinkin future if i was to diet for a show again id go gluten and lactose free 100% from maybe 8 weeks out
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby ollie on Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:06 pm

Craig, thanks for pulling this together. My girlfriend has celiac disease and will no doubt find the information useful.
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Craig on Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:47 pm

ollie wrote:Craig, thanks for pulling this together. My girlfriend has celiac disease and will no doubt find the information useful.



I'm going to put together some diet stuff too, feck it I'll start now!

There is two issues to consider when putting together a gluten free diet (GFD) for bodybuilding, the first is alternatives to gluten based foods and the second is how to avoid cross contamination.

The first is relativly easy and the info is pleniful on the net but I'll note down my personal choices:

Alternative carb sources, the lower GI ones at the top.

Yams - available at morrisons
plantain - some tesco's
sweet potato's - taste a bit rough unless wedged and spiced
new potato's
Quinoa - check with manafacturer for cross contamination
Gluten free oats - available at waitrose, not cheap but worth it.
Basmati rice
polenta - check with the manafacurer for cross contamination
gluten free pasta

Cross contamination is where wheat has been processed in the same factory / production line as the product in question. An example may be polenta that has been ground using the same equiptment that ground wheat into flour. Less obvious ones would be a chocolate bar that was produced on the same line as one containing wheat.

This complicates further when we look at oats and quinoa as neither contain gluten! But both could be grow or paked in areas close to wheat. Hence to get gluten free oats they need to deal with stray wheat which could self seed and grow amoungst the oats and pack in a GF factility.
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Rab on Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:04 pm

To add. Sainsburrys do a decent "free from" range inc gluten free oats
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Craig on Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:10 pm

Rab wrote:To add. Sainsburrys do a decent "free from" range inc gluten free oats


I'll have to look that one up, sainsburys are top of the food chain when it comes to labeling if products are gluten free or not. Asda do a list of their own brand products on request or available online. Waitrose also label quite well and do a list, however tesco's and morrisons are poor in this area...... shame on them!
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Dtlv74 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:50 pm

Good thread with some great posts already.

Don't forget to add Buckwheat to the list of gluten free carb foods... the inclusion of 'wheat' in the name is misleading, and this is an excellent carb source. Almost ten percent protein per 100g too, and along with quinoa, sweet pots and un-enriched rice (enriched rice has gluten, un-enriched should not) is one of my fav 'energy foods. Is interesting that that list of foods, the ones i seem to digest and feel best on, is all gluten free. Am fairly convinced I'm gluten intolerant to a degree based on how i respond to pastry and bread (very sluggish digestion and energy levels), although do actually seem fine with pasta.
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby ollie on Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:04 pm

I think most people are better off without bread - just not everyone chooses to pay attention to it.

I didn't know about enriched vs un-enriched rice Det. What's the difference exactly?

It's only when you have to be aware of gluten that you realise how many products are 'contaminated' with or contain it that you wouldn't expect. Eating out is nearly always a risk, too.
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Dtlv74 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:31 pm

ollie wrote:I think most people are better off without bread - just not everyone chooses to pay attention to it.

I didn't know about enriched vs un-enriched rice Det. What's the difference exactly?

It's only when you have to be aware of gluten that you realise how many products are 'contaminated' with or contain it that you wouldn't expect. Eating out is nearly always a risk, too.


Enriched rice is white rice that's had nutrients re-added to it after being polished etc... stuff like Uncle Bens, and commercially produced Saffron, Jasmine or flavoured Rice etc.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-enriched-rice.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't know if all enriched rice has gluten but apparently most of it does.
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby julesm on Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:50 pm

i dont know if this is snake-oil supplementation?
worthy of a mention though:

enzymedica- glutenease
http://www.enzymedica.com/products/GlutenEase
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Dtlv74 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:18 pm

julesm wrote:i dont know if this is snake-oil supplementation?
worthy of a mention though:

enzymedica- glutenease
http://www.enzymedica.com/products/GlutenEase" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Interesting.

Never heard of this DPP-IV thingy, but time to do some unashamed google scholar and scirus.com use to see what info i can find. :)
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby julesm on Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:13 pm

if it allows a gluten intolerant person to have a few guilty pleasures without reproach- then it seems its well worth the money
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Dtlv74 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:42 pm

Found this:

A food-grade enzyme preparation with modest gluten detoxification properties.

Ehren J, Morón B, Martin E, Bethune MT, Gray GM, Khosla C.

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BACKGROUND AND AIMS: Celiac sprue is a life-long disease characterized by an intestinal inflammatory response to dietary gluten. A gluten-free diet is an effective treatment for most patients, but accidental ingestion of gluten is common, leading to incomplete recovery or relapse. Food-grade proteases capable of detoxifying moderate quantities of dietary gluten could mitigate this problem. METHODS: We evaluated the gluten detoxification properties of two food-grade enzymes, aspergillopepsin (ASP) from Aspergillus niger and dipeptidyl peptidase IV (DPPIV) from Aspergillus oryzae. The ability of each enzyme to hydrolyze gluten was tested against synthetic gluten peptides, a recombinant gluten protein, and simulated gastric digests of whole gluten and whole-wheat bread. Reaction products were analyzed by mass spectrometry, HPLC, ELISA with a monoclonal antibody that recognizes an immunodominant gluten epitope, and a T cell proliferation assay. RESULTS: ASP markedly enhanced gluten digestion relative to pepsin, and cleaved recombinant alpha2-gliadin at multiple sites in a non-specific manner. When used alone, neither ASP nor DPPIV efficiently cleaved synthetic immunotoxic gluten peptides. This lack of specificity for gluten was especially evident in the presence of casein, a competing dietary protein. However, supplementation of ASP with DPPIV enabled detoxification of moderate amounts of gluten in the presence of excess casein and in whole-wheat bread. ASP was also effective at enhancing the gluten-detoxifying efficacy of cysteine endoprotease EP-B2 under simulated gastric conditions. CONCLUSIONS: Clinical studies are warranted to evaluate whether a fixed dose ratio combination of ASP and DPPIV can provide near-term relief for celiac patients suffering from inadvertent gluten exposure. Due to its markedly greater hydrolytic activity against gluten than endogenous pepsin, food-grade ASP may also augment the activity of therapeutically relevant doses of glutenases such as EP-B2 and certain prolyl endopeptidases.

A food-grade enzyme preparation with modest gluten detoxification properties


When used alone, neither ASP nor DPPIV efficiently cleaved synthetic immunotoxic gluten peptides

So it works, but only in combo with the ASP enzyme and without casein being present to compete with it. Interesting. Unfortunately the product above doesn't state the other enzymes in it's blend... would be useful info to have.
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Rab on Wed May 05, 2010 1:44 pm

Have to say i really enjoy the gluten free oats. they go nice and fluffy and dont have a bitter taste from them

Pretty expensive though so i dont see them being long term which is a shame
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Craig on Wed May 05, 2010 4:08 pm

Rab wrote:Have to say i really enjoy the gluten free oats. they go nice and fluffy and dont have a bitter taste from them

Pretty expensive though so i dont see them being long term which is a shame



ye much more expencive
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Rab on Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:59 pm

Asda are now selling gluten free oats. slightly cheaper and slightly more than sainsburys. Do yourself a favour though and save yourself £2.79 and dont buy them. Fcuking rotten. chowing my way through a bowl right ow. Im depleted and sarving and it still tastes like shit. actually considering ditching it and having a few plain rice cakes instead its that bad
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Dtlv74 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:05 pm

Rab wrote:Asda are now selling gluten free oats. slightly cheaper and slightly more than sainsburys. Do yourself a favour though and save yourself £2.79 and dont buy them. Fcuking rotten. chowing my way through a bowl right ow. Im depleted and sarving and it still tastes like shit. actually considering ditching it and having a few plain rice cakes instead its that bad


Hmmm, sounds like soemthing to cook with only... maybe protein flapjacks or similar. Had some gluten free pasta a few weeks back (forget the brand but was from Tesco) that tasted ok but the consistency when cooked was really gloopy and soggy.
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Re: Bodybuilding and dealing with celiac disease

Postby Craig on Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:02 pm

Rab wrote:Asda are now selling gluten free oats. slightly cheaper and slightly more than sainsburys. Do yourself a favour though and save yourself £2.79 and dont buy them. Fcuking rotten. chowing my way through a bowl right ow. Im depleted and sarving and it still tastes like shit. actually considering ditching it and having a few plain rice cakes instead its that bad



Tesci's do Nairns gluten free poriddge oats 500g for £2.99, there all round that price.
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