As the title says, planning my first mini cycle in a few weeks time (holiday next week, 1 week to get back into training and eating clean then starting) and im a little confused.

I was planning on doing the PCT'less pulse as recomended on extreme supps. here

http://extremesupplements.co.uk/shop/pa ... hop_param=

Then i noticed that it says that the 2 week on, 2 week off is not needed when pulsing 40mg 3 times a week on training days.

Whats confused me though is that the cycle detailed above the PCT'less pulse is just the same, but includes a PCT with serms.

So what are they saying there? Can i ramp up to 40mg 3x a week for 8 weeks with Inhibit-E on non training days and liv-52 for liver protection or do i need to have the weeks off to avoid PCT.

Cheers.

Marks1972 wrote:As the title says, planning my first mini cycle in a few weeks time (holiday next week, 1 week to get back into training and eating clean then starting) and im a little confused.

I was planning on doing the PCT'less pulse as recomended on extreme supps. here

http://extremesupplements.co.uk/shop/pa ... hop_param=

Then i noticed that it says that the 2 week on, 2 week off is not needed when pulsing 40mg 3 times a week on training days.

Whats confused me though is that the cycle detailed above the PCT'less pulse is just the same, but includes a PCT with serms.

So what are they saying there? Can i ramp up to 40mg 3x a week for 8 weeks with Inhibit-E on non training days and liv-52 for liver protection or do i need to have the weeks off to avoid PCT.Cheers.

I had no problems doing six week using that protocol what so ever. I have also done two weeks on and am currently in the two weeks off stage to see what that's like.

I think you'd be fine mate. 8 weeks is pretty long though for a first cycle.

If I was you I'd have a SERM on hand anyway as some people have reported heavy shutdown on epistane. I ran it for 4 weeks, 4 days a week with no problems at all which seems to be pretty common. Might go for longer next time.

I ran 40mg a day mon to fri for 5 weeks with no pct except tribulus at weekends and for a week after. No side effects or shutdown,but then everyone is different.

Jake The Muss wrote:I ran 40mg a day mon to fri for 5 weeks with no pct except tribulus at weekends and for a week after. No side effects or shutdown,but then everyone is different.

But you've now got a fanny and are known as Jake the muff

simon m wrote:

Jake The Muss wrote:I ran 40mg a day mon to fri for 5 weeks with no pct except tribulus at weekends and for a week after. No side effects or shutdown,but then everyone is different.

But you've now got a fanny and are known as Jake the muff

You only said that cos you want a bit of the muss!

I'm no expert on here, but I'd say that 8weeks is pretty long for a first cycce of this.

From what I know you get pretty good results with a 4week cycle at 40mg per day (obv ramped up to begin with). can increase that to 6 if you're responding well!

as Ollie stated, it's a pretty good idea to get a something in just incase you get shutdown!

Good luck with it tho mate!

Mark,

If you're planning to do 8 weeks then start off with 20mg and gradually work up to the 40mg.

Personally I'd do 4 weeks on a pulse like this for your first:

Week 1: 20mg (10mg pre/10mg post) on Training Days, AI on Non Training Days.
Week 2: 30mg (20mg pre/10mg post) on Training Days, AI on Non Training Days.
Week 3 & 4: 40mg (20mg pre/20mg post) on Training Days, AI on Non Training Days.

For PCT after the 4 weeks I still think Tribulus 95% is fine but I doubt you'll shutdown in all honesty. Of course keep something stronger as backup just in case.

Alex wrote:Mark,

If you're planning to do 8 weeks then start off with 20mg and gradually work up to the 40mg.

Personally I'd do 4 weeks on a pulse like this for your first:

Week 1: 20mg (10mg pre/10mg post) on Training Days, AI on Non Training Days.
Week 2: 30mg (20mg pre/10mg post) on Training Days, AI on Non Training Days.
Week 3 & 4: 40mg (20mg pre/20mg post) on Training Days, AI on Non Training Days.

For PCT after the 4 weeks I still think Tribulus 95% is fine but I doubt you'll shutdown in all honesty. Of course keep something stronger as backup just in case.

Agree with above but wouldnt bother with such a long ramp up. It it was me i would go with

Week 1: 30mg (20mg pre/10mg post) on Training Days, AI on Non Training Days.
Week 2 - 4: 40mg (20mg pre/20mg post) on Training Days, AI on Non Training Days.

If you wanted, ramp up over the first week to the 30 or 40mg and if you feel ok with it then carry on from there at 40mg.

Thats a fair comment Rab and you've more expeirence over ramping than myself as I go straight in at 40mg.

I was only conservative as I was factoring in age.

Alex wrote:
For PCT after the 4 weeks I still think Tribulus 95% is fine but I doubt you'll shutdown in all honesty. Of course keep something stronger as backup just in case.

What do you suggest?

Usual suspects, clomid or nolva.

Marks1972 wrote:

Alex wrote:
For PCT after the 4 weeks I still think Tribulus 95% is fine but I doubt you'll shutdown in all honesty. Of course keep something stronger as backup just in case.

What do you suggest?

I've got some at home if you ever need it.

Marks1972 wrote:

Alex wrote:
For PCT after the 4 weeks I still think Tribulus 95% is fine but I doubt you'll shutdown in all honesty. Of course keep something stronger as backup just in case.

What do you suggest?

Hmm I don't think trib is enough, but it's different for each person. Depends if you get shutdown or not. I would be surprised if you had no shutdown after 8 weeks @ 40mg ED
Some people run Mass FX with Hyperdrol x2 for PCT. Might be an idea if you're not using a SERM to use Retain x2 too in order to keep cortisol down.

Got it covered now, got Nolvadex, x-lean, cissusdrol and trib ... should be enough to switch em back on after 4 weeks of 160mg epi per.

Marks1972 wrote:Got it covered now, got Nolvadex, x-lean, cissusdrol and trib ... should be enough to switch em back on after 4 weeks of 160mg epi per.

thta'll be fine, plus a regular tug and all will be well!

Its a pulse though...so only only a dose pre and post workout 3-4 times per week shouldnt shut you down...well so far out of the half dozen of the people who have run it like this have not had any problems that i am aware of.

aye all going well im hoping for minimal sides and no shutdown, but better safe then sorry.

I pulsed pretty much over 9 weeks with only 1 week break so 2 lots of 4 and didn't shutdown. 40mg at 5 days a week. I think generally you'll be fine but it's still good to follow the PCT regardless and keep a backup.

How did your pulse cycle go Marks?

First went very well, im on a 2nd atm but 4 days on 3 days off per week this time, seem to be leaning up a little despite not taking the care with my diet that i should be.

Yeah, it does tend to do that.

Definately a good one for improving composition.

Sounds like you're definately seeing good results from it then. Did you noticed many sides like back pumps / oily skin etc?

BTW, I'm seriously considering using a PH like Epi but unsure on what PCT protocol to follow if I decided to go with it. Is a proper SERM needed do you think?

radicalry00 wrote:Sounds like you're definately seeing good results from it then. Did you noticed many sides like back pumps / oily skin etc?

I noticed it more on my first cycle but after that the effects, for me at least, were no where near as pronounced. I do remember my OKG and AAKG intake being a little higher than I would use now which may have contributed.

BTW, I'm seriously considering using a PH like Epi but unsure on what PCT protocol to follow if I decided to go with it. Is a proper SERM needed do you think?

If you Pulse on training days and run an AI on none training days then you should require any PCT. As a matter of precaution I used high strength Tribulus for 2-3 weeks anyway.

only side i got was some spots on my head, that hair covered anyway.

I didnt use a serm as i ran a very gentle pulse with AI, Liver protectant during and Cortisol control and natural test boosters post.