Actually Cissus-Drol or just using Tribulus and Cissus 50% at 4-6 caps daily for 2 weeks would make a decent PCT.

Thats what i used last time, and will do again this time.. only difference is as im aware of the likelyhood of my tendancy to aromatise test im going to contine to run the AI.

... which reminds me, i need to make a BSD order

Thanks for the advice lads.

Alex, have you tried a straight, non-pulsing cycle or have you always followed the pulse method? The benefits of less sides and less shutdown on a pulse appeals to me but are the gains less pronounced than a normal cycle?

radicalry00 wrote:Thanks for the advice lads.

Alex, have you tried a straight, non-pulsing cycle or have you always followed the pulse method? The benefits of less sides and less shutdown on a pulse appeals to me but are the gains less pronounced than a normal cycle?

I train 5 days straight so I could just about class it as a Pulse and didn't suffer any sides, even from a 5 week cycle. A lot of the guys here have run 3-4 week cycles training 3 days a week and gained 4-5lbs on average of good mass so I think thats a good trade off for little or no sides.

Sounds very good, thanks. I'm guessing it's still best to have a SERM on hand just in case though?

As I said, I've not yet decided to do a cycle but strongly considering it.

radicalry00 wrote:Sounds very good, thanks. I'm guessing it's still best to have a SERM on hand just in case though?

As I said, I've not yet decided to do a cycle but strongly considering it.

I'd prob keep either Nolva or Clomid to hand.

So if I train 4 days per week I should still only take epi 3 of those days?

I'm not quite sure why it's cut half of the picture off but oh well lol.

I guess it's taking a 3 day a week training approach so if you're training 4 days, take 4 times a week.

Personally from what I've found I'd do 20mg pre and 20mg post workout on training days and take the AI on non training days before bed and run this for 3 weeks. I'm not convinced 2 weeks on/off gives enough time for the oral to take proper effect.

If you're unsure about jumping straight in at 40mg then increase through the first week each session from 10mg, 20mg, 30mg and 40mg by the end of week 1.

Cheers, seems straight forward enough.

Yet another question though (I'm very inquisitive ) How long do you usually take off between cycles? And what's the preferred choice of AI?

Ideally you should have more time off than on with any cycled supplement. I've tried as little as 3 weeks between cycles but I don't think this was as effective so 6-8 weeks minimum would be a good guide.

For an AI either Gaspari Novedex XT which I used or Inhibit-E which a few others have used which is equally as good.

Novedex XT I get from here: http://www.sshealthfoods.com/pages.php? ... tails=0136

Inhibit-E from here: http://www.extremesupplements.co.uk/sho ... ER_PCT-AID)-(75-x-25mg-capsules).html?shop_param=cid%3D23%26aid%3D2%26

Both are excellent companies.

Extreme Supplements also do Epistane and Cissus-Drol.

Thanks, great post Alex. I appreciate it.

Just to butt in here Ryan - time between cycles is crucial as I actually suffered a bit of suppression by rushing into a third cycle very quickly after a second.

A good guide is to be off for at least the length of your cycle + PCT after your PCT has finished. 8 weeks off altogether (after PCT) would therefore make sense in my opinion. Better to be safe than sorry with this sort of thing as I'm sure you appreciate

Just curious, Ollie what did you use for PCT in your epi pulse?

Phosphaditylcholine (for the liver), GSE and an anti cortisol supp. Cissus-drol would make more sense though I think.

I used nolva the other time when I felt as though I could be a little suppressed. Shouldn't really come to that though, but everyone's different

I'm considering doing a cycle in the new year. Still undecided tbh but I was thinking of just doing a normal cycle of ~30mg everyday for 4-6 weeks followed by Nolva. Wouldn't this be far more beneficial than pulsing?

Up to you really mate, I guess you could say that AAS would be far more effective than epistane. You've just got to look at the balance between sides and gains I think

Wouldn't the sides of 40mg 3/4x a week be similar to 30mg ED though? That's what I was thinking really. I'm still undecided whether to start epi tbh. I bought some last week but I'm now stuck in two minds whether to use it or not lol.

I'm not going to use it for a long time after this cycle. I seem to be gaining well enough naturally but it does give a boost and will lean you out a little.

Not sure how you view it but I know my own mind and that I don't want to go down the route of AAS, at least not while I'm young and can gain well naturally. I also know that I'm strong-willed enough for it not to lead me down that road prematurely. So I reasoned that it'd be OK

I Pulsed 40mg with a 5 day split for about 5 weeks and didn't run into any issues. I think I may have popped up to 50mg for the last week.

Personally I'd go with 40mg Pulse over 4 weeks for a first cycle as you'll still gain and won't see any sides but you should run an AI on the non training days.

If you want to run ED then you may as well ditch the Epi and use an oral AAS instead as you'll probably end up using the same PCT protocol either way.

Alex wrote:I Pulsed 40mg with a 5 day split for about 5 weeks and didn't run into any issues. I think I may have popped up to 50mg for the last week.

Personally I'd go with 40mg Pulse over 4 weeks for a first cycle as you'll still gain and won't see any sides but you should run an AI on the non training days.

If you want to run ED then you may as well ditch the Epi and use an oral AAS instead as you'll probably end up using the same PCT protocol either way.

or just jab test

who didn't know that was coming?

Craig, I swear blind sometimes that you were Stallone's Mule and the integrety of the goods became compromised whilst you were still carrying.

Alex wrote:Craig, I swear blind sometimes that you were Stallone's Mule and the integrety of the goods became compromised whilst you were still carrying.

What goods

I told him he got the wrong man, he must of mixed me up with some other guy as he gave me nothing