Anti Cortisol

by **Alex** on Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:48 pm

Here's a thought:

Along side mega dosing with Cissus, what about pre bed mega dosing of Tribulus?

by **Bison** on Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:50 pm

I'm seriously considering getting some Phosphatidyl Serine. A bit pricey at £30 per 100g but HttK seems to swear by it... anyone else tried it?

by **kp1512** on Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:51 pm

Bison wrote:I'm seriously considering getting some Phosphatidyl Serine. A bit pricey at £30 per 100g but HttK seems to swear by it... anyone else tried it?

yeh but over 400mg continously and i found my back and joints hurt - so i did 5 days a week.

by **Bison** on Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:54 pm

kp1512 wrote:
Bison wrote:I'm seriously considering getting some Phosphatidyl Serine. A bit pricey at £30 per 100g but HttK seems to swear by it... anyone else tried it?

yeh but over 400mg continously and i found my back and joints hurt - so i did 5 days a week.

What strength was that mate? 20%?

You rate it then for anti cortisol?

by **kp1512** on Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:57 pm

Bison wrote:
kp1512 wrote:
Bison wrote:I'm seriously considering getting some Phosphatidyl Serine. A bit pricey at £30 per 100g but HttK seems to swear by it... anyone else tried it?

yeh but over 400mg continously and i found my back and joints hurt - so i did 5 days a week.

What strength was that mate? 20%?

You rate it then for anti cortisol?

yeh the shite stuff. but got 50% from the states before Xmas.

Yeh its good in the time I took it - and worth adding

by **Tall** on Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:01 pm

Alex wrote:Here's a thought:

Along side mega dosing with Cissus, what about pre bed mega dosing of Tribulus?

Trib won't do didly for you mate other than make your wallet lighter.

It's one of those things which should have worked, but never did in humans.

by **Bison** on Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:02 pm

kp1512 wrote:yeh the shite stuff. but got 50% from the states before Xmas.

Yeh its good in the time I took it - and worth adding

Hmmm... me thinks I'll be investigating further!

by **Bison** on Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:03 pm

Tall wrote:
Alex wrote:Here's a thought:

Along side mega dosing with Cissus, what about pre bed mega dosing of Tribulus?

Trib won't do didly for you mate other than make your wallet lighter.

It's one of those things which should have worked, but never did in humans.

I disagree.... a good strength Trib with high protodioscin content definately does something in regards to test levels.

by **Tall** on Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:39 pm

Bison wrote:
Tall wrote:
Alex wrote:Here's a thought:

Along side mega dosing with Cissus, what about pre bed mega dosing of Tribulus?

Trib won't do didly for you mate other than make your wallet lighter.

It's one of those things which should have worked, but never did in humans.

I disagree.... a good strength Trib with high protodioscin content definately does something in regards to test levels.

Are you citing opinion? anecdotal evidence? or actual studies?

Define does something in regards T levels?
How did you know BV / Free T increased?
Did T increase beyond supra physiological levels?
What side effects ensued?
How did the increase in T affect the NFL?
Did you get shutdown?
Are you mistaking an increase in libido function (placebo induced) for an increase in T?
How were SHBG levels affected?
Did E increase as a result of the increase in T?
What effects on LBM were seen?
Of any LBM changes what was ECW / ICW?

by **Tall** on Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:40 pm

PMSL The above ^^^ makes me sound like much more of a C-unit than I actually am. Something to aim for I guess

by **Bison** on Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:57 pm

Tall wrote:
Bison wrote:
Tall wrote:Trib won't do didly for you mate other than make your wallet lighter.

It's one of those things which should have worked, but never did in humans.

I disagree.... a good strength Trib with high protodioscin content definately does something in regards to test levels.

Are you citing opinion? anecdotal evidence? or actual studies?

Define does something in regards T levels?
Spots on my temples, raging boners... especially in the morning...
How did you know BV / Free T increased?
...
Did T increase beyond supra physiological levels?
supa dupa levels
What side effects ensued?
Mrs.Bison got pounded...
How did the increase in T affect the NFL?
Very little effect... the Miami Dolphins still lost to the Dallas Cowboys as per usual
Did you get shutdown?
What am I a feckin laptop??
Are you mistaking an increase in libido function (placebo induced) for an increase in T?
I drink coffee and it doesn't make any difference when I swap to PG Tips.
How were SHBG levels affected?
Sorry is that a typo? Should that read SHAG?
Yes I already told you... ask the missus.
Did E increase as a result of the increase in T?
Actually now you mention it I did want to dance everytime a phat choon came on... and was feeling loved up more than usual.
What effects on LBM were seen?
Eh? Leg Before..... Minge??
Of any LBM changes what was ECW / ICW?
Now you're just taking the piss!

...yes...

by **GymBunny** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:28 am

Bison just won first place in funniest post of the week....hysterical.

by **Will** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:59 am

Sounds like a good sup Bison!!

by **Marks1972** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:02 am

How old are you Tall? I find that stacked with ZMA trib gives me superb sleep, and im a really bad sleeper. I also feel more positive when im taking it regularly. So athough im with you on it probably not having any direct effects on muscle growth and strength, improved sleep and pma defintaly contribute to those things indirectly.

It seems that you do need to be one of us older lads to get much benefit from it though.

by **Alex** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:47 pm

I've had positive results from Trib in the past, even to the point of a slight increase in gym aggression which was a little surprising. I think a 3 cap dose of a decent strength may fare well.

by **Craig** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:09 pm

Bison wrote:I'm seriously considering getting some Phosphatidyl Serine. A bit pricey at £30 per 100g but HttK seems to swear by it... anyone else tried it?

Currently using the 50% stuff, got it from bulk nutrition but endo amp from the nutra site looks better value, I'm using 800mg of active a day, not really that impressed TBH.

by **health4ni** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:17 pm

I use 20% PS and it works for me. I like it.

by **Tall** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:17 pm

Alex wrote:Here's a thought:

Along side mega dosing with Cissus, what about pre bed mega dosing of Tribulus?

Personally I would go for Cissus, and mega dose Vit C and Fish Oils.

That might not be the answer you were looking for though.

by **Tall** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:21 pm

Marks1972 wrote:How old are you Tall? I find that stacked with ZMA trib gives me superb sleep, and im a really bad sleeper. I also feel more positive when im taking it regularly. So athough im with you on it probably not having any direct effects on muscle growth and strength, improved sleep and pma defintaly contribute to those things indirectly.

It seems that you do need to be one of us older lads to get much benefit from it though.

I'm claiming on this board that I'm in my mid 20's, but I really should keep a spreadsheet to track my lies/extravagent claims.

I like ZMA but I prefer it with Niacin. I personally found that it works best / fastest for me with either a large glass of Grapefruit Juice or a large glass of Smoothie about 30-45mins before I plan to goto sleep.

by **Bison** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:28 pm

Craig wrote:
Bison wrote:I'm seriously considering getting some Phosphatidyl Serine. A bit pricey at £30 per 100g but HttK seems to swear by it... anyone else tried it?

Currently using the 50% stuff, got it from bulk nutrition but endo amp from the nutra site looks better value, I'm using 800mg of active a day, not really that impressed TBH.

Just out of interest what bf% do you put yourself at roughly?

I'm thinking maybe you need to be under 12% to notice effects from supp's like this? I mean as in lower bodyfat around the belly button for example??

health4ni wrote:I use 20% PS and it works for me. I like it.

What would you say is the most noticable thing you get from using this supp?

by **Bison** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:29 pm

Tall wrote:
Alex wrote:Here's a thought:

Along side mega dosing with Cissus, what about pre bed mega dosing of Tribulus?

Personally I would go for Cissus, and mega dose Vit C and Fish Oils.

That might not be the answer you were looking for though.

What about Rhodiola Rosea? Have you ever tried that mate?

by **Tall** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:33 pm

Bison wrote:
Tall wrote:
Alex wrote:Here's a thought:

Along side mega dosing with Cissus, what about pre bed mega dosing of Tribulus?

Personally I would go for Cissus, and mega dose Vit C and Fish Oils.

That might not be the answer you were looking for though.

What about Rhodiola Rosea? Have you ever tried that mate?

It's on my list of things to try. Somewhere between Potholing and Tren

by **Bison** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:37 pm

Tall wrote:It's on my list of things to try. Somewhere between Potholing and Tren

LOL.... bump it up, it's a great supplement, one of my favs

by **Craig** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:44 pm

Bison wrote:Just out of interest what bf% do you put yourself at roughly?

I'm thinking maybe you need to be under 12% to notice effects from supp's like this? I mean as in lower bodyfat around the belly button for example??

7-8% bf

I was going by sleep quality as there's little bf to come off that area.

by **health4ni** on Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:57 pm

^^ you should post a pic craig. 90kg and 7-8% BF should look great. Although suppose it depends on height as well, and I cannot remember how tall you are, but still.

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