I was just wondering whether the ECA stack was dangerous for people of the age of 16 to take?
Maybe I should have posted earlier because I have already started on it a couple of weeks back.
Nicotine Gum aswell.

I guess you need to ask if you should be taking it at all at 16 mate?

Is it dangerous?.....depend if you react to it, on the whole at low dose probably no....but do you need it?...Id like to think no?. Got to bear in mind mate that at 16 your hormones are kicked\have kicked in so take advantage of them, Id really doubt youd need Eph....(prob not what you wanted to hear....but best be honest)

Going on your previous post about your weight/build (and lack of it). It beggars the question why the hell you are even considering an ECA stack.

Your 16 al you need is to train hard, eat well (and lots) amd grow. Learn to be patient.

I'm speechless...

EDITED - cos i cant pay bloody attention proper at 1am and thought our friend ere was filling himself for off epistane not ephedrine!!

hello all by the way.

as for whether ephedrine is dangerous at 16, prolly not no in moderate doses. it does inrease bloody pressure but at 16 you should be able to handle that with ease, though it would be wise to buy a BP monitor cos there only a tenner and go and get it checked at the docs. question is tho, what do you need it for? it isnt gonna give you anything in the gym really and what it does give will be lost due to the appetite suppressing effects which at your age you might want to avoid like the plague so you get get as much food in as possible (clean food and within reason mind!)

it could be that your already rather fat and so your looking at it from that point of view, but then if thats the case you would be far wiser to go the docs first anyway as carrying alot of extra weight, even at a young age, applies alot of pressure to the organs and then when you start adding loads more pressure from an intense workouts AND a BP increasing drug like eph, your asking for trouble. the good news is if there is a real serious issue like 30%+BF or something, there are drugs out there now on POM status that can help you with that and that the doctor will be happy to support you on, so go see the GP first. oristst is one of them. it is expensicve though at around £1.20 per pill for the NHS, so you would have to show that not only are you trying to lose weight, but the extra weight is causes serious issues with self confidence and possible signs of depression

if it isnt that and your just taking it cos you can, dont, ya wasting ya time really. it can be quite habit forming aswell which is best avoided

Tigernut:
Ephedrine and epistane are NOT the same...

FatboyGinger wrote:I was just wondering whether the ECA stack was dangerous for people of the age of 16 to take?
Maybe I should have posted earlier because I have already started on it a couple of weeks back.
Nicotine Gum aswell.

Dangerous in what way?
What are you trying to achieve by taking it?
At your age you dont need any kind of support of any kind to achieve your goals, dont take this the wrong way but why are you asking 2 weeks after you have started it? kind of defeats your question and shows what mind set your in.

I used ephidrine when i first got into bodybuilding in my mid 20s and had good results from it, however as the guys said at 16 there really is no need to be doing anything aside from the basics.

Going by your pics i assume gaining weight and good mass are your goals, in which case ephidrine isnt really the best choice in any case.

Just train hard eat well and plenty, supplements wise a good quality whey, bcaa and creatine id consider at your age now that im older and wiser and get into the habit of sleeping well.

Make use of the advantage of being young, dont try to supress it. Save the tricks for later.

FBG

I've seen you photos and I know your goals are to get a "six pack" and that's one of the reasons you are taking Ephedrine.

As everyone has says, you don't need it at your age. As Ressie said, what you do need is hard work.

What really concerns me is that you are always looking for a way to avoid hard graft, when the truth is, there are no safe shortcuts in life.

What you need to do is quite simple:

30 minites cardio on waking before breakfast every day. Weights 4 times per week with 20 minutes cariod post weights.

Diet: high protein, medium/low fats, medium, low carbs and no carbs after 8 pm.

Try hard work and diet mate, it will help.

simon m wrote:FBG

I've seen you photos and I know your goals are to get a "six pack" and that's one of the reasons you are taking Ephedrine.

As everyone has says, you don't need it at your age. As Ressie said, what you do need is hard work.

What really concerns me is that you are always looking for a way to avoid hard graft, when the truth is, there are no safe shortcuts in life.

What you need to do is quite simple:

30 minites cardio on waking before breakfast every day. Weights 4 times per week with 20 minutes cariod post weights.

Diet: high protein, medium/low fats, medium, low carbs and no carbs after 8 pm.

Try hard work and diet mate, it will help.

^^ what he said.

To even consider ephedrine at your age and state of development is frankly one of the most patently stupid things you could do.

I know it's not your goal but look at Arnie at your age (first pic):

http://www.searchforvideo.com/watchclip ... egger%252F

That's what hard work and a proper diet does for you mate.

I think a good plan for you FBG would be to scrap ALL of the supplements you take besides whey, creatine, oats fish oils and a multivitamin. As of today, take all of the other stuff and put it away somewhere. You dont need any of it and it is a distraction.

I dont think money is tight for you, but use the extra anyway to buy yourself shitloads of meat from the butchers. Make a point of starting to go yourself and learn about the different cuts of meat and how you cook with them. The Butcher will be happy to explain this to you.

All the supplements etc is doing your progress more harm than good as it acts as a distraction from what is really importaint.....busting your balls in the gym night in-night out and eating shitloads of good protein.

I'm almost certain you havn't been lifting long enough to have learned how to train balls to the wall yet. This whould be your target!

Rilla wrote:Tigernut:
Ephedrine and epistane are NOT the same...

nah they certainly aint lol. that was 1am, knackered and seeing a face off another forum doing what i thought was secretly posting in here prolly after buying epi from the other forum contacts and then confessing to be 16 hehehe. totally misread it.

1. welcome tigernut

2. FBG Follow rabs and simons advice, dump all sups except whey and oats and focus on getting the diet and training spot on. Plenty of people here have offered to help.

Craig wrote:1. welcome tigernut

2. FBG Follow rabs and simons advice, dump all sups except whey and oats and focus on getting the diet and training spot on. Plenty of people here have offered to help.

I just checked betfair's website and odds that he'll follow your advice are up to 1:14.2. I remember seeing a post just like this one back on MP, only that was six months ago (thereabouts).
I think you'd be better off spending ypur time on trying to get me off the stims, Simon off the bubbles, Bison off the 'gums/merlot or Rab off the cack...
Just my 2 cents...

Haven't had ime to read the other advice in this thread, but I'm sure it's quality.

My thoughts, Ephedrine is no more dangerous at 16 than any older age if used responsibly. Things to bear in mind are the side effects, which are noticeable at high doses.

There is a chance you just arn't compatible with it (as with all medications and narcotics)

If you want to use ephedrine to help keep you awake or study, you're probably fooling yourself, if you're stupid, ephedrine won't help. It will however add to irritability, especially when combined with cafeine and possibly elevate any anxieties and help your brain become mush.

Use of stimulants is like opening pandora's box. Use one, what's next? Loadsa guys on here use stims to an extent, but the main reason is not to fix a problem, it's to make an improvement in themselves they can't achieve naturally.

Why do you really want to use ephedrine?

Ephedrine will affect your adrenal glands detrimentally. You're 16. You don't want to be messing with your adrenals just yet dude. And tbh you shouldn't need to. When I was 16 I never needed any stims to get me going (not having a girlfriend probably helped! lol)

On the contrary to what everyone else has said/suggested.

I'd stack the Ephedrine with a decent mass gainer (the most expensive ones in GNC are the best... none of the others work) and only eat fruit and fast acting carbohydrates for a month, with at least one day per week doing around 15min exercise at walking pace and watch the fat drop off and those abs come through.

Seriously fattwatginger... what the hell did you expect? you're an idiot for even considering taking that... I remember your first post on myprotein boards and you posted something completely fucking rediculous then aswell, I'm suprised you've not been banned for trolling yet. I certainly would have.

Get off your lazy as and get to the flippin gym... lift as heavy as possible until you can't lift anymore, then go home and cook yourself a big soding steak with some sweet potato chips and a hearty glass of protein shake! then wake up and do the same tomorrow...

Sorry everyone for being a bit rude here, but stupid people need a good boot up the as sometimes!

xRichx wrote:On the contrary to what everyone else has said/suggested.

I'd stack the Ephedrine with a decent mass gainer (the most expensive ones in GNC are the best... none of the others work) and only eat fruit and fast acting carbohydrates for a month, with at least one day per week doing around 15min exercise at walking pace and watch the fat drop off and those abs come through.

Seriously fattwatginger... what the hell did you expect? you're an idiot for even considering taking that... I remember your first post on myprotein boards and you posted something completely fucking rediculous then aswell, I'm suprised you've not been banned for trolling yet. I certainly would have.

Get off your lazy as and get to the flippin gym... lift as heavy as possible until you can't lift anymore, then go home and cook yourself a big soding steak with some sweet potato chips and a hearty glass of protein shake! then wake up and do the same tomorrow...

Sorry everyone for being a bit rude here, but stupid people need a good boot up the as sometimes!

Whoa! say what you mean fella,dont hold back!

xRichx wrote:On the contrary to what everyone else has said/suggested.

I'd stack the Ephedrine with a decent mass gainer (the most expensive ones in GNC are the best... none of the others work) and only eat fruit and fast acting carbohydrates for a month, with at least one day per week doing around 15min exercise at walking pace and watch the fat drop off and those abs come through.

Seriously fattwatginger... what the hell did you expect? you're an idiot for even considering taking that... I remember your first post on myprotein boards and you posted something completely fucking rediculous then aswell, I'm suprised you've not been banned for trolling yet. I certainly would have.

Get off your lazy as and get to the flippin gym... lift as heavy as possible until you can't lift anymore, then go home and cook yourself a big soding steak with some sweet potato chips and a hearty glass of protein shake! then wake up and do the same tomorrow...

Sorry everyone for being a bit rude here, but stupid people need a good boot up the as sometimes!

I must admit Fat boy Ginger i afree with this chap. Do some fookin hard work both in the gym and at the dinner table. Stop being a tosser get with the game plan or go take up knitting

Now, now fellas. FBG is only 16 and at his age we were all impatient as well. So don't be nasty!

To be fair, The internet provides too much information, and in the hands of a 16 year old it can be a dangerous thing.

xRichx wrote:On the contrary to what everyone else has said/suggested.

I'd stack the Ephedrine with a decent mass gainer (the most expensive ones in GNC are the best... none of the others work) and only eat fruit and fast acting carbohydrates for a month, with at least one day per week doing around 15min exercise at walking pace and watch the fat drop off and those abs come through.

!

Thats the worse advice ive seen, along side the fat loss will be muscle tissue aswell, cardio, diet and hardwork will solve BF issue not eating fruit and fast acting carbs while taking Eph.......

marcus300 wrote:

xRichx wrote:On the contrary to what everyone else has said/suggested.

I'd stack the Ephedrine with a decent mass gainer (the most expensive ones in GNC are the best... none of the others work) and only eat fruit and fast acting carbohydrates for a month, with at least one day per week doing around 15min exercise at walking pace and watch the fat drop off and those abs come through.

!

Thats the worse advice ive seen, along side the fat loss will be muscle tissue aswell, cardio, diet and hardwork will solve BF issue not eating fruit and fast acting carbs while taking Eph.......

It was a joke...

Marcus

I think that was tongue in cheek from him...at least I hope so

Aside from that, I truely hope FBG does lesson to the underlying info on his thread....more effort, diet and hard work first...equally we all maybe forget we were young once....

KP

Thanks for your replies guys.

Do I need it? Of course not! I'm about 11% BF. Do I want it? Yes- I'm going away in a couple of weeks, and want to get down to about 8% ish.
I'm using it for it's appetite and anti catabolic properties.
I'm not using it high dose- usually 32mg of kaizen eph, 200mg caffeine and 75mg aspirin once or twice a day.

On the subject of cutting, sorry guys but perhaps you don't quite understand my goals. My goals are not to be the next Mr. Olympia, but I want a 6 pack, with largish arms, although arms/rest of the body are less important to me.
Girls of my age go wild for a 6 pack, and I have about 4 at the moment. I honestly believe that corner stone abs are more attractive than massive arms. Of course, I could have bulked all over summer, and got larger arms, but I would have looked pretty fat with no pack.

I don't do weights and cardio at the same time, so I usually do weights 3 times per week, and HIIT (3 x 15 minutes) three sessions per week.

As said before, diet is nailed. Yes, I'm 16, and oddly enough, I eat well. I have posted this before but people seem to ignore it. My routine is based around compound lifts, with the bench, squat and deadlift on separate days. Of course I work hard in the gym!

Ollie- I honestly don't understand your post. Are you trying to show me what Arnie looked like at my age to stop me taking ephedrine?! It is common knowledge he was popping dbol like smarties from about the age of 15. Hardly a role model!

I got the info I wanted